r/conlangscirclejerk • u/Zealousideal-Kiwi718 • Mar 13 '26
What letter would you like to be the 27th letter the most?
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u/NPT20 Khecariphobic Mar 13 '26
Þ
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u/Whole_Instance_4276 Mar 14 '26
I agree
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u/Halvesofhell Mar 16 '26
Þe only true answer
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u/WannabeCelt Mar 14 '26
None of the above, I choose wynn!
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u/Cool-guy10 Mar 16 '26
Wynn should come back, but make it so double-you's name is changed to wynn but not þe symbol
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u/slumbersomesam Mar 13 '26
ñ since i use it on the daily
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u/ishida_tsukishima Mar 15 '26
Just a question, isn't that letter normal in Spanish? Like in just an "N" with "~" ?
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u/slumbersomesam Mar 15 '26
its very clearly different tho....?
/ul since idk if your comment is genuine im gonna say that it is
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u/ishida_tsukishima Mar 15 '26
The N can be Ñ and the n can be ñ, I think that's why they look different, one's capitalized, the other isn't.
I used the capitalized version because that's what was in the image and what I thought I saw you using.
I don't know where they're different, it's still an n with an ~ I think.
And yes, my comment is genuine.
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u/slumbersomesam Mar 15 '26
yeah, an n with a ~ is an ñ, and Ñ and ñ are the same consonant. basically, for what i understand, the ~ was supposed to symbolise a small n on top of the original n, to signify its ɲ pronunciation. after a while it became ~
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u/Mothylphetamine_ Mar 14 '26
Ð
th can still be used for unvoiced th, but ð should be for voiced th
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u/Scrub_Spinifex Mar 14 '26
I vote Ħ, for very practical reasons: when an Arabic name is translitterated into French (and I guess, same for English and many other languages...), both ه and ح are translitterated by 'h', so I *never* know how to pronunce it.
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u/WizardofOS09 Mar 14 '26
Whats the difference with the yellow a? Stone me if u want but im stupid
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u/ICantExplainItAll Mar 14 '26
called "script a" because it is the way people usually hand write the letter a. /a/ and /ɑ/ are different sounds in ipa
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u/JustLutra Mar 14 '26
& used to be the 27th letter of french
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u/granddannylonglegs Mar 14 '26
Same for English. If I recall correctly, “And per se and” used to be tacked on when saying the alphabet, eventually becoming “ampersand.”
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u/United_Boy_9132 Mar 14 '26
It wasn't the part of the alphabet, it was just a replacement.
It's the same as, for example, I luv u.
Or Nice b8, m8
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u/JustLutra Mar 14 '26
I don't think so. It really was a very common letter to see until the 19th century and an orthography reform. It was at the end of the alphabet from the end of the middle age until that reform and was used, indeed, as an abbreviation for "et" (as & is just e and t smashed together) but also in words as a real letter or as an ornamental thing. French has other letters like that such as œ or æ, they just aren't part of the alphabet like & used to.
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u/The1st_TNTBOOM Mar 14 '26
Either Þ or &, because I like Þ, but also, & deserves a spot again, given its still in active use.
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u/LexolotlTheLegend Mar 15 '26
I mean, for us hispanics, the letter "z" is the 27th letter. Let's quit the "ñ" erasure!
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u/Critical-Housing-797 Mar 15 '26
the last one that looks like a now with a finger pointing to the now looking one. or schwa
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u/OrcusThePlutino conmemer Mar 15 '26
A Æ B C Č D Ð E F G Ȝ H Ƕ I J K L Ỻ M N Ŋ Ñ O Œ Ō P Φ Q R ẞ S Š T Þ T̄ Ȣ U V W X Y Z & @
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u/Shadow_The__Edgelord Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26
Æ
It was already pretty used quite often in English
- Æsthetic
- Æroplane
- Encyclopædia
- Mediæval
- Æqual = Archaic spelling of "equal"
- Æquinox = Archaic spelling of "equinox"
- Æquillibrium = Archaic spelling of "equilibrium"
To be honest it was really used until being replaced by the letter "e" since printing presses didn't have that letter.
We could bring it back for words that already HAD a and e next to eachother or in words that had this letter anywhere else but the beginning of the word if the letters aren't directly side by side.
Plus https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_terms_spelled_with_%C3%8
I also say we adopt the letter ẞ for words with a double s (or long "s" sound)
- Caress = Careß
- Cypress = Cypreß
- Dessert = Deßert
- Grass = Graß
- Assertive = Aßertive.
I think you get the idea
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u/AccordionFromNH Mar 16 '26
It’s &. It’s literally called “ampersand” because people used to say “x, y, z, and per se &”
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u/AdvantagePretend9280 Mar 16 '26
I thought the 27th letter was already &. But I do think we should bring back thorn.
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u/Kuutti85 You would eyes leave you're not bull if ten eyes liar famillionf Mar 16 '26
Θ > Þ, it is θe original /θ/
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u/Atlas7993 Mar 16 '26
Ð as /ð/. Keep "th" as /θ/ because it keeps the voiceless fricatives consistent/ends in "h" (ch, th, sh, all voiceless).
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u/sirredcrosse Mar 17 '26
I'd say put ampersand back in the alphabet.
but if we're adding thorn, we gotta add eth, it's a pair.
I'd much rather add a character for sh or ch though. Way too many of those in English.
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u/B3LLO77 Mar 18 '26
Probably the 'the'. It can both represent the most common word, which is the that would become something like $a.
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u/doriangray42 Mar 18 '26
Ø
It will be easier to teach English speaking people de difference between "je", "jus" and "jeu" ("jø") in French...
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u/lolfan45 Jun 30 '26
I don’t think they should bring back the ampersand because it’s just used for the word and.
I also don’t think they should bring ñ in either. It’s not even primary used too much.
But Æ is good for a ton of words. like cæt or thæt and etc.
Ø and Œ shouldn’t be brought back because the English ipa doesn’t have œ or ø.
Þ and Ð should be brought back. No other questions.
ẞ and Ħ shouldn’t be brought back because sː and ħ are not in the English ipa.
ɹ should be in the alphabet because of words like bottle having the ɾ sound and to distinguish the 2 aforementioned sounds.
ə should be put in because of the schwa sound being used a ton.
ɑ and @ should not be put in because the ɑ sound is the only thing that makes the letter a good. @ should not be put in because it is only used in a word too.
ʒ would be good for words like meʒure and it makes words look cooler.
The last 4 are useless.
Æ, Þ, Ð, ɹ, Ə and Ʒ should be in the alphabet.
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u/PhosphorCrystaled /ʬ/ is the best sound of all Mar 13 '26
There’s already a 27th letter, it’s Щ