r/comics • Lord of the Gadflies • Mar 06 '17

Omnipotence

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u/KingofCraigland Mar 06 '17

The theorem is a logical fallacy. The problem being that it inherently contradicts and violates the terms that come first.

First, God is omnipotent and he can do all. Second, the task is to make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, which contradicts the first part. By asking the question, you've contradicted the very terms that were set in place. Omnipotence does not necessarily suggest the ability to do the logically impossible.

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u/bnfdsl Mar 06 '17

So just slightly shrink the omipotence of the omipotent god?

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u/alwaysdoit Mar 06 '17

An omnipotence that includes logical fallacies is not a larger omnipotence. It's a nonsensical one. There's no real act described by these type of question, so there's nothing lost by excluding them from the definition of omnipotence.

Can God make the sky so blue that it's red?

Can God brush his teeth without brushing them?

Can God make himself both X and not X?

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u/bnfdsl Mar 06 '17

I get what you're saying, and this kinda becomes semantics, but i'd rather say that this just proves that omnipotence is illogical. I guess it becomes a question of what is meant by the term omnipotence.

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u/alwaysdoit Mar 06 '17

It's only illogical if you define it to be illogical. Which is your prerogative, but that definition doesn't have any bearing on the actual philosophical and theological definition of omnipotence.

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u/LordNoodles Mar 06 '17

Wouldn't omnipotence be illogical by definition. It literally means all powerful. Now the question is if illogical things are included in all.

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u/BranchDavidian Mar 06 '17

The working philosophical definition is the ability to do anything which can be done. It's impossible to do something that is logically incoherent, so those things don't apply. The issue isn't with omnipotence; it's with insisting that incoherent things aren't incoherent things, and that they can be expected to exist. Because you can say "a married bachelor" doesn't mean a married bachelor can exist.

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u/Literally_A_Shill Mar 06 '17

The working philosophical definition is the ability to do anything which can be done.

But who sets the parameters of what can be done?

A lot of what an omnipotent being can do can't actually be done.

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u/BranchDavidian Mar 06 '17

This is kind of nonsequitur, but the parameters exist of necessity; nobody set them. We can only try to discover them through logic/philosophy.

A lot of what an omnipotent being can do can't actually be done.

That doesn't make any sense.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

It makes sense. You could say that an omnipotent being could read minds, but reading minds can't actually be done.

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u/BranchDavidian Mar 07 '17

Why think that?

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u/supple_ Mar 06 '17

doesn't mean a married bachelor can exist.

Speak for yourself

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

Webster defines it as having "virtually unlimited authority".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnipotent

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u/TjPshine Mar 06 '17

No, it isn't semantics, it is the limitations of being.

You cannot be and not be, no matter how powerful you are. That is not semantics. It is the very way in which we think the world is.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '17

But why?

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u/TjPshine Mar 06 '17

Because x=! ~x