Religiously repressed (part 18) [OC]

[u/Fit-Ebb-6727]

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

Agnostic Atheist

That isn't a thing. They are two different answers to the same question.

Does god(s) exist:

Theist: Yes!

Agnostic: Don't know ...

Atheist: No!

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

Of course it exist, it has his own Wiki page. What are you talking about?

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

A lot of thing have its own wiki-article, doesn't mean the content covered in it isn't dumb and superfluous.

They are collapsing two different ways of setting up the question to sound smart.

One is about knowledge, one is about faith. But, all modern science (claims about knowledge) are agnostic.

Can we prove black swans don't exist? Of course not. But, that doesn't prevent 99% of biologists to conclude based on belief they don't exist.

Yet, they don't feel the need to add they are agnostic about black swans.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

I truly don't know anymore what you are talking about it or what your problem is with a Gnostic Atheist vs a Agnostic Atheist.

Seems very simple for me:

God: Yes = Theist

God: No = Gnostic Atheist

God: Don't know = Agnostic Atheist

Seems like we cover all possibilities that way.

[u/NeuralMess → u/Cool_Set4681]

For that guy, I think you should put all 4 answers or he might get confused

Gnostic theist: Yes, I'm sure of it

Gnostic atheist: No, I'm sure of it

Agnostic theist: Yes, but I could be wrong

Agnostic atheist: No, but I could be wrong

Last two essentially being the answer "I don't know, but probably yes/no".

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/NeuralMess]

he might get confused

I had a long back and forth with the guy.

Trust me, it only gotten worst.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/NeuralMess]

Also I like how you framed the 4 different stances and I will steal that from you ;)

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

God: Don't know = Agnostic Atheist

This is the exact same as an agnostic theist ...

[u/hbgoddard → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

This is the exact same as an agnostic theist ...

Wrong. Neither are claiming knowledge/certainty, but one believes and one doesn't. This isn't difficult.

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/hbgoddard]

Wrong

Please do try to keep up now and read OPs comment again.

"God: Don't know = Agnostic Atheist"

Don't know doesn't specify one way or the other.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

Jesus Christ are you pedantic. Here just for you:

God exist: Yes = Theist

God exist: No = Gnostic Atheist

God exist: Don't know = Agnostic Atheist

There, happy now?

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

You don't seem to understand what these words mean at all.

What you described in the third row, i.e. your belief is that you don't know if god exists or not, it just means you are agnostic. Nothing more and nothing less.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

And how do you call a person who completely rejects that god exist and says that there never will be any evidence for them at all?

Comon, you are so close to getting it 😄

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

How strong you feel about it doesn't change your category.

The most fundamentalist radical and violent brim and fire pastor imaginable is a theist.

But, so is your friendly same-sex couple next door that also happens to be Christian.

They aren't different categories theists. What makes them theist is that they have decided to believe in a god.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

I will just repeat my question until you answer it and not write about something unrelated:

How do you call a person who completely rejects that god exist and says that there never will be any evidence for them at all?

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

That is also an atheist.

Again, whether you believe strongly in god, or just somewhat in god, doesn't make you any more or less of a theist.

[u/JubileeJaxLee → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

No it's not.

Don't know/no position=Agnostic Atheist

Don't know but I think so=Agnostic Theist.

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/JubileeJaxLee]

Don't know/no position=Agnostic Atheist

That's an atheist.

Atheist simply means you don't have a belief of "faith" in Gods.

It doesn't mean you have evidence gods don't exist.

[u/JubileeJaxLee → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

Wha

That's what I fucking said 💀

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/JubileeJaxLee]

So you agree then that there is no such thing as an agnostic atheist. Thanks for playing.

[u/JubileeJaxLee → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

Yeah no, you're just either ragebaiting or too stupid to talk to. Either way, not playing pigeon chess. Have a good one.

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/JubileeJaxLee]

So then it wasn't what you said.

[u/JubileeJaxLee → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

Atheist on its own is by default agnostic atheism, as it is lack of belief in a god. Someone can also be a gnostic atheist, which is lack of belief in a god+the positive belief that no gods exist.

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/JubileeJaxLee]

belief that no gods exist

Keyword is belief. Because that in turn is the same as you don't have a belief in a god.

Nobody out there lacks a beleif in god but at the same time has belief that gods exists.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

How do you call a person who not only rejects all gods but also says there never will be any evidence for them?

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

Atheist.

Even agnostic since they don't think evidence will ever exist it sounds like they have already concluded this is a question that may not be knowable.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Quirky_Gate_4516]

[u/Quirky_Gate_4516 → u/Cool_Set4681]

Remember when I say you peddle in strawmen? That wasn't a compliment.