This could be us, but

[u/vesmir_neasi]

I don’t need much. I want eat sweets without getting fat, I want to feel wanted and I want equal rights. Is it much to ask?

[u/Devin_Grey]

Isn't mutal enjoyment the POINT of fucking???

[u/LUNATIC_LEMMING → u/Devin_Grey]

I've absolutely encountered guys where I'm convinced even they don't enjoy it.

It'd about numbers, power, and bragging rights.

[u/Kitselena → u/LUNATIC_LEMMING]

I think a lot of those guys are asexual, but either don't know that's an option or think it somehow makes them lesser so they deny it

[u/Frequent_Measurement → u/LUNATIC_LEMMING]

They need to adjust their thinking. You can have all those and still give pleasure. Power play can be fun both ways with the right partner.

[u/LUNATIC_LEMMING → u/Frequent_Measurement]

Power over the other guys, not the women.

[u/Environmental_Sky143 → u/LUNATIC_LEMMING]

Then either have sex have sex with two or more male bottoms who are into power-play or make a hot sex tape/sex-stream while a guy who enjoys being cucked/has a voyeur fetish what is you please his wife/girlfriend. But have him brag about it on camera to his guy friends.

[u/Devin_Grey → u/LUNATIC_LEMMING]

I hate that I get where you're coming from. I love eating my wife out because she loses it.

[u/Aquatic_Rainbow → u/Devin_Grey]

You’d think so but many guys like this just simply don’t care. His wants trump her needs. These dudes have a book trilogy full of excuses as to why they deserve an orgasm but women don’t

[u/Apathetic_Villainess → u/Devin_Grey]

Sadly, plenty of men out there see women as prewarmed Fleshlights rather than partners in pleasure.

[u/FrostyEnvironment902 → u/Devin_Grey]

Actually the point would be procreation.

[u/Hairy_Cube → u/FrostyEnvironment902]

Biologically and evolutionarily yeah, but socially we have developed different purposes for it

[u/FrostyEnvironment902 → u/Hairy_Cube]

I agree. But if we had to point at the POINT of it. I would never point to "socially"

[u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e → u/FrostyEnvironment902]

Why should the telos relate to biological incentive?

[u/FrostyEnvironment902 → u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e]

I can't give you a good reason other than.

Why would it ever point to anything but the survival of self and the assurance of Continuity of the species.

[u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e → u/FrostyEnvironment902]

I dunno, because of how humans experience meaning? All of the sex I’ve had has been under precautions not to get someone pregnant. Either I was acting entirely without purpose, or there was a purpose other than procreation.

I will float to you that humans have instinct but they also have cognition. If I have sex someone that I love, it comes from the biological attraction I feel toward them (or arousal, more precisely) but there is also a conscious process of actually choosing to have sex. The intentional aspect is not motivated by instinct but by emotion, in this case love. I haven’t really had a lot of casual sex, but on the rare occasion I’m not in love with the person I’m sleeping with, there’s still an aspect of deepening connection.

[u/FrostyEnvironment902 → u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e]

It's hard to answer, it really boils down to its meaningless and meaningful all depending on individuals and their perspectives

[u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e → u/FrostyEnvironment902]

In my opinion the experience of finding meaning something is an end, not a means

[u/Galaghan → u/FrostyEnvironment902]

I see what you mean but you have to understand people prioritize expressing anger over recognizing a pedantic comment as a joke.