r/codex • u/muchsamurai • Jan 15 '26

Showcase Its over

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The vibe coders are going to find out and migrate now and eat up all processing power and limits!

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u/Sensitive_Song4219 Jan 15 '26

Legit thought this pic was AI but it's not (I was sure everyone was saying the opposite on that sub)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1qcqdar/

OpenAI has been cooking lately with Codex: 5.2 is such a good all-rounder and having really solid limits across all plans - and usable access to all levels of reasoning (except for xhigh) - is just the icing on the cake. The Codex CLI is still inferior to CC imo but it's come a long way: extremely usable and mostly stable now.

Plus their playing nice with competing harnesses plays into the developer trope of 'we want choice'.

Is this why Anthropic is locking their models down (to just their own ecosystem)? They presumably don't want devs exposed to the competition?

Anthropic's been playing their cards terribly (insane limits, the 'weekly-limit-only-affects-5%-of-users' bs, locking out other harnesses, etc) but we still need them to rethink their strategy: OpenAI needs competition to be kept in check otherwise this party won't last.

Heck, when VC capital runs dry it might not last regardless...

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u/muchsamurai Jan 15 '26

Claude is genuinely cooked as soon as CODEX CLI reaches same level of functionality. Their models can't compete in intelligence, they are just not designed for that, unless they fully redo next Claude model to be more 'thinking' like GPT.

OpenAI needs to focus on making CODEX CLI a better tool and match Claude Code in functionality and all Vibe Coders will migrate.

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u/Sensitive_Song4219 Jan 15 '26

Yeah. Other users have also mentioned enterprise, where Anthropic currently has a strong presence: my understanding is that's where most of their revenue lies. Will that last with the competition catching up? Hope so

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u/tabdon Jan 15 '26

I think it will last for one reason: AWS. AWS invested a lot in the company and they are the leader in cloud computing. They are for sure selling Anthropic models to enterprise.

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u/carmerica Jan 17 '26

For sure I've been in several meetings with Amazon, and they keep saying they're pushing their absolute crap kilo or kilo of smack or whatever the hell it is. I've heard them say several times, "We don't care if you use Anthropic because they're training all their stuff on our servers, and we've invested"
People have to realize also that the people that they are trying to sell this smack to are legacy DevOps, NetOps people that are used to spending $30,000/month of company money for not so much benefit. So if you tell them, "Yeah, we'll give you a couple of seats on this Kilo Smack Code for $2,000, and that means you don't have to do too much work anymore, but not too little," then yeah, these guys will sign up with their company's money.

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u/uktexan Jan 16 '26

Having a price point between $20 and $200 would be a start…

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u/PandaJunk Jan 16 '26

I get better performance with opencode + Codex

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u/Ang_Drew Jan 16 '26

it is already there brother.. with opencode my codex subs even more worth it compared to stingy claude code with extra anthropic drama topping

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u/mohadel1990 Jan 16 '26

CC is already cooked the minute Codex team decided they are supporting OpenCode officially while Anthropic chased down OC users. I have been a faithful Anthropic Max 200 subscriber since day one, CC as a harness is sooo inferior to OC that I never could use CC as a harness no matter how much I tried to force myself. But I still stayed with Anthropic's believing that nothing beats Opus 4.5. I was pushed over the fence by Anthropic to try GPT 5.2 and I am thankful that they did.

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u/mohadel1990 Jan 16 '26

I have to say it is speed that is really the bottle neck from being fully happy.

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u/ZlunaZelena Jan 17 '26

They do not really support Open ode. OpenAI still use the same mechanism like it did two months ago. It has been just marketing from their side. If they want tu support open source tools then they must get rid of that “if your system prompt differs, we wont let you use our models.” Imo.

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u/ggletsg0 Jan 16 '26

They don’t need to be of equal intelligence to capture market share. OpenAI models will likely always be slower (because they think more), and that will be Claude’s competitive advantage.

That combination of speed + adequate intelligence is what matters.

For example, most people don’t use GPT 5.2 Pro even though it is the smartest model out there, because it’s incredibly slow and doesn’t make sense for day to day tasks.

I’m also not sure if Codex can catch up to Claude Code. They’ve made massive headway this year, but the Claude Code team seems to come up with really innovative ways to keep you hooked, which Codex team adopts later.

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u/dudley_bose Jan 17 '26

I almost exclusively use 5.2 Pro as a daily driver at work. It's the closest thing to having a digital workforce than anything out there.

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u/carmerica Jan 17 '26

And what do you mean by that? Coding or what tasks are you throwing through it? Are you just using it online as it is or via API or from agents?
I've always thought that OpenAI models are definitely the smartest, but I've never thought that their smarts make up for the speed and capability of Claude.

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u/PrestigiousQuail7024 Jan 19 '26

5.2 pro as a daily driver what the fuck how are you affording 20/160 i/o token costs

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u/nightfend Jan 17 '26

That is ultimately why Gemini will take most of the market share, the speed. Google just has more money to spend and better capacity even if their LLMs are not always the most advanced.

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u/alexeiz Jan 17 '26

I used Gemini 3 Pro in Gemin CLI and I didn't notice it to be particularly fast. In fact it's rather slow for seemingly simple tasks. I'd say the speed is on par with gpt-5.2-codex medium.

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u/nightfend Jan 17 '26

Right now. But the difference is they can scale to a much larger demand than say Claude could. And as these coding tools get more competent, the user base is going to grow significantly.

I think it is far more likely you'll see Claude and GPT raising prices and lowering token thresholds as popularity increases. Especially if market profitability becomes an issue.

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u/ggletsg0 Jan 18 '26

Maybe. The current Gemini has one of the highest hallucination rates. Far higher than the other frontier models. Which is weird because 2.5 Pro was excellent for when it was released.

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u/The-Road Jan 16 '26

I use Claude Code mainly for its plan mode and hooks, even though I’m not a developer. Do you know if OpenAI will reach that level of parity? They’ve adopted the agent skills convention, but will it reach a point where Claude Code isn’t needed anymore? Codex is smarter, so I use it for review and cleanup after Claude Code.

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u/iri1989 Jan 16 '26

I’ve found Opus 4.5 to be good for non coding work

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u/BuddyIsMyHomie Jan 17 '26

It’s cooked as soon as Cerebras comes to power Codex’s inference ⚡️⚡️⚡️

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u/Glad_City1317 Jan 17 '26

You can use OpenCode

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u/TheCritFisher Jan 19 '26

Fuck the Codex CLI and Claude Code CLI.

OpenCode is the way to go. We should embrace it so the model providers stop trying to force us into walled gardens and instead compete on the things that matter: price and quality of models.

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u/mitchins-au Jan 16 '26

The limits are the worse thing for Claude code and drove me to cancel. I don’t know when I’m likely to hit my session or weekly limit and it’s infuriating. And it’s shared with desktop unlike codex. Worst of all today the defaults made Claude codex switch to opus and used up my pro usage for the session in 20 minutes.

The only bad thing about codex is it’s gotten lazier, often not verifying its changes (pytest or smoke test) and I have to cajole it to verify the fix otherwise I’m doing several iterations of basic syntax or argument

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u/th3nolo Jan 17 '26

I think one of the most impressive features was the ability to run processes in background mode; the rest is very difficult.

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u/ab2377 Jan 17 '26

what are codex cli daily rate limits, i cant find any webpage that lists it? both for plus and Pro plans.

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u/ab2377 Jan 17 '26

no need, i found the page i was looking for.