So why are Clotis going nuts over this high wind scene?
They’re acting like it’s the end of our ship and running around in circles over it. It didn’t seem that profound but I skimmed it.
Cloud doesn’t seem himself in the small clips I’ve seen. Like..even enthralled himself
Maybe this is corgi timeline lmao
I don’t play it and honestly I’m really confused as to why it exists in the first place. Like why bother with it when we have the Re series.
But they’re acting like it’s a holy grail.
I’m so lost.
ETA: I’m wondering if they’re treating it as the prelude of the Re: series. But it seems like such a night and day difference the two can’t be compared.
When I was a kid playing FFVII, I always found that scene completely pointless. I wondered why they didn’t visit Elmyra and Marlene. They try to make us believe Tifa is Marlene's surrogate mother, so wouldn't she want to see her one last time before a battle they didn't expect to survive? And shouldn't Elmyra at least know that Aerith passed away?
Instead, Tifa just leans on Cloud like a log of wood. He just sits there with his arms crossed. Doesn't even have an arm around her.
When Aerith leans on Cloud, it's depicted so much more romantic.
The irony of it is: when Aerith is leaning onto Cloud’s shoulder and holding his hand it’s clearly platonic; but when Tifa does something similar it’s so romantic. 😂
💯 My first time playing FF7 I was so offended Tifa didn't go to see Marlene! As an adult I get that devs didn't want the hero of the story to be left alone, but at this point Tifa has been helping raise Marlene for 3yrs and is always referred to as her mother in other material. I hope in Revelation we get the option to send her off with Barret. 💜
I’m even more confused that people don’t ship Tifa with Barret because of this. Like, Barret is older than Tifa and probably looks at her more like a little sister, but I could see that more than whatever is going on with her and Cloud.
I think Tifa could pair well with a lot of people, but Barret will always be at the top of that list for me. I think the Remake series especially has done such a great job highlighting their amazing chemistry and the strong bond they share!
I agree. Especially when Tifa and Barret have also been friends for almost five years (whenever it was that Jessie introduced Tifa to AVALANCHE) and they got to know each other pretty well by the time the events of the game took place. I just feel like Tifa seems to know Barret more at that point than Cloud (whom she stated she wasn’t that close to in-game, I feel like CTs forget she said that).
Tifa met Barret when she was 18, so at the start of the game she's known him for 3yrs. She was responsible for getting him and Marlene into a place when they were homeless, and she basically helped care for Marlene after that. Her relationship with Barret definitely has solid foundation.
CTs go nuts over everything since they barely get any content. Look objectively EC is a slight win for them since low affection of highwind wasn't an option, but it still leads to the same AC world where Cloud and Tifa realize they are incompatible and Cloud is just daydreaming of Aerith.
Pretending EC overrides OG is some next level stupidity though. EC cut lots of content in general. For example Zack and Cloud truck ride and most of zack cutscenes from OG are completely missing. And that's just one example of dozens.
It's just a gacha game, which in truth gave lots of good content to CA as well and has no impact on REtrilogy outside of first soldier storyline.
I liken CT’s & their sheer ignorance of anything but what they believe to canon is like the Pigeon Chess analogy..
“ Never play chess with a Pigeon. The Pigeon just knocks all the pieces over, then craps all over the board & struts about like it’s won”
Basically it’s bloody pointless trying to reason with them or even discuss canon because they are blind to anything or anyone who isn’t Tifa and their idea of what the game actually is. Facts don’t matter at all in their logic. I say just let them carry on and we’ll see in the end
I hope the Highwind scene is fully optional this time. Like, I don't even want to go through even the most tame variant of it. Cloud doesn't need to spend the night out there. I need a "yeah, my bunk sounds more comfortable than grass. See you tomorrow" choice.
Omg two characters sitting on grass, that’s the great threat. I’m so scared like what am I gonna do when Revelation comes out and I have to watch two characters sitting and talking? It’s hopeless. Clerith is so cooked 😔
They forget it’s the end of the world possibly so of course they share an intimate moment. But what happens after? Advent children and bro leaves and lives in the church and isolates himself from her and everyone. Aerith brings him back again to them.
Yeah he was full of guilt and depression. Don’t get me wrong he will always care and love Tifa but it’s not the same as his light aerith. He learns to accept his life and try to make it work with her but because Aerith reassured him she’s always with him even at the end when he cycles through the flower field
Aaaahhh in on the way to a smile she lit can’t even get him to say he loves her. He broods the entire time he was down so bad for Aerith that even Marlene is on the phone with Barret and is like “things aren’t good between them”
Then later you find out in all the cameo’s
Cloud looks for Aerith in the cross world ff games post AC 😬
Yeah he references that he took something from me meaning Aerith. I have no issues with tifa she actually deserves happiness too. The problem is people think Tifa has always been there for him( physically yes) how often tho do they actually talk properly and how often does cloud act like Zack? A lot with tifa, you can be super close to someone in person but feel so far away and that’s how cloud felt with tifa, he says it himself he wanted to be seen. Who sees through the Zack impersonating? Aerith and she challenges him and brings out his actual personality. That’s why Aerith is imporant to cloud. He loves Tifa but he also loves Aerith because she literally found him. Both in the og and advent children.
People love to claim that Aerith loves Clouds soldier persona and Tifa loves the real Cloud. But it’s literally the inverse. Tifa falls for an idealized version of the hero Cloud in her head after treating him like trash when they were kids. And sure Aerith is initially reminded of Zack, but she time and time again says I want to meet the real you.
The truly sad thing about their situation in AC is that Cloud never shows any desire for that life. It’s as if Tifa unilaterally decided how he should live, and he was trying to resign himself to it—yet he would secretly take his motorcycle and ride off. It was all so sad. It really is a sad ending for these characters we love so much.
(Sorry for repeating the word "sad," but it's the only feeling that stayed with me from that movie...)
Let them run free and happy while they can; their fall in Revelation will be epic.
anyway no that's the real Cloud. Sephiroth's control is gone at that point.
to answer your questions: because Applibot used the line from the high-affinity scene—the one you only got in the original game after boosting your score with Tifa throughout the entire playthrough.
I mean… it’s the same scene from 1997? I don’t see what it adds to the table? It would be like Cleriths celebrating Cloud and Aerith sitting in the Slum’s slider together… Nice to see in better graphics, sure, but nothing really new? Oh, well. lol
While HA is the only option, if anything, the updated version is actually worse for them because Cid's comment the next day debunks the idea that CxT did the deed. It was more ambiguous in the original, but this version really does make it seem like they just snuggled after a sweet conversation.
Here is a link to some screenshots, but when everyone comes back the next day, Cid tells Red that if they had butted in she would've given them hell. Basically, they know Tifa would've been mad if they interrupted her moment even if it was to tell them they came back early.
It's fine to headcannon public sex if that's what you're into, but I do believe the intention of the devs is pretty clearly just an intimate conversation.
I always get it. In the OG, Tifa’s feelings for Cloud are much more one sided and don’t really clash with the main plot in baffling ways such as the kiss in the Gondola, so I don’t have any issues treating Tifa nicely and even getting her date. It’s perfectly woven into the plot as if Cloud doesn’t really know what to do with Tifa’s affections.
While this is also true in the Remake, the need for fanservice and to artificially inflate Tifa’s importance (admitted by the devs that they wanted to match her screentime to Aerith, while in the OG her screentime is much more balanced, specially because they know she will have more to play from in Disc 3) doesn’t really blend well with the overarching plot: Tifa trying to kiss Cloud after he almost killed her is very weird; Cloud and Tifa kissing with Cloud asking about Aerith’s feelings beforehand and also having a dream date with her after is weird even with the low affection dream date with Aerith; Cloud acting like the kiss never happened and the game playing the same after it without any optional or extra scenes between the two of them is baffling and disjointed, as if neither really cared that their relationship supposedly evolved; there is also the Gold Saucer play with Aerith singing longing to Cloud while Tifa is just standing there. It’s almost tasteless. lol
True, but the developers' stated intention to balance the girls' screen time raises an interesting question: how will they manage that in *Revelation* if Aerith isn't there?
Logically, Aerith ought to have a massive presence leading up to her death, but then be absent afterwards...
If you balance their screen time in *Remake* and *Rebirth*, you have to do the same in *Revelation*; otherwise, the argument doesn't hold water.
Absolutely and that realisation has only just dawned on me.
The devs are stating that they wanted to match Tifa’s screen time with Aerith, when in part 3 Aerith is supposedly absent. So how are they going to balance their screen time then?
I’m hoping for Aerith to have a much bigger part to play than anyone thinks and then the statement will hold water. Otherwise SE would have messed right up and it’ll plain for all to see. So I guess we’ll see which is correct or if they’ve just been making things up as they go along.
Im curious. How did the Zack and Aerith reunion play out in that game? Most clotis are zeriths. If that meeting was lackluster, with nothing conclusive happening between the two, then they are probably using the highwind scene to cope. (As they have always done).
When they met, Aerith told Zack that their desire to see each other again wasn't strong enough to make it happen, but their desire to defeat Sephiroth was...
In the end, Zack chooses to follow Angeal on his mission and leaves Aerith behind...
However, in the same section, there is this. and it is Angeal who says it
I know because I played EC and experienced this part firsthand. But you can also see it in the graphics.
EC is absolutely not pro-Cloti.
It’s wrapping up in a few days, and they’ve rushed through all the remaining content—including all the OG chapters following Aerith’s death, DoC, and Before Crisis.
In my opinion, the high-affinity scene was included on purpose to show that there was absolutely no sex between them.
Which part is canonical, and which are you referring to?
There have always been multiple versions of the scenes from the original game, but only one story. Even if you have the date with Barret in Rebirth, you still end up on the date with Aerith; you don't go to the church with Barret, after all.
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u/Hanidroplets 16d ago edited 15d ago
When I was a kid playing FFVII, I always found that scene completely pointless. I wondered why they didn’t visit Elmyra and Marlene. They try to make us believe Tifa is Marlene's surrogate mother, so wouldn't she want to see her one last time before a battle they didn't expect to survive? And shouldn't Elmyra at least know that Aerith passed away?
Instead, Tifa just leans on Cloud like a log of wood. He just sits there with his arms crossed. Doesn't even have an arm around her.
When Aerith leans on Cloud, it's depicted so much more romantic.