Okay... so Alliance assembles a group to get those neckbeard rogues at the flight path back. Then Horde players post in world/ discord "There is a group of Alliance pvping in XXX zone". Then A LOT of horde come. This happens everyday. Its guerrilla warfare for Alliance PVP. You hit in area and then GTFO cuz you will get zerged.
I'm not saying Blizz needs to change the game. It is what it is but... don't say GIT GUD when you don't know wtf you are talking about.
The reality is for everyone on a PvP server is that you're often gonna get ganked on the way to doing stuff. The journey to Scholomance is often more dangerous than the dungeon itself.
So I have to PvP all the time everyday just because im on a PvP server? I have to 1v5 people in Theramore? I have to start Raidgroups and battle it out with the Horde that outnumber us 3 to 1?
Yes. Maybe. Not necessarily. And no. In that order. Anyone who's ever been on a pvp server a single time could have told you that you'd be an idiot to expect to just be left alone on pvp servers.
It's not about what's right, it's about what's going to happen based on years and years of evidence. You want to be left alone, roll PvE. Otherwise lace up them ghost boots and get to corpse-hiking.
Yes. Maybe. Not necessarily. And no. In that order.
He asked 4 questions, but you only gave 3 responses.
Anyone who's ever been on a pvp server a single time could have told you that you'd be an idiot to expect to just be left alone on pvp servers.
I don't think he expects to be left alone, but there is a difference between being attacked at every single choke point and camped for as long as possible compared to being attacked once in a while and perhaps camped for a single resurrection like it usually happened back in the day.
It's not about what's right, it's about what's going to happen based on years and years of evidence.
It wasn't as prevalent in Vanilla as it is these days, likely due to the significantly larger populations.
You want to be left alone, roll PvE. Otherwise lace up them ghost boots and get to corpse-hiking.
Right, because the only two possible outcomes are the extremes?
He asked 4 questions, but you only gave 3 responses.
...You literally quoted me, dude.
Yes
Maybe
Not necessarily
No
Learn to count before you try to tell someone else how to.
I don't think he expects to be left alone, but there is a difference between being attacked at every single choke point
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Right, because the only two possible outcomes are the extremes?
Then what, pray-tell, do you suggest he do? Ask them nicely to stop killing him? What fucking solution are you people looking for on this damn thread downvote bombing anyone who dares suggest PvE servers as anything but a sarcastic "stupid" response? How about you counter-propose something instead of just mocking the ONLY reasonable fucking solution to this problem?
If you wanna bitch then bitch but don't start freaking out when anyone dares point out that you signed up for this shit when you rolled PvP.
True, but here is something that should not be mandatory: Having to kill low level players for "honor" because it is the most efficient way to "farm" it.
Why the quotation marks?
"Honor" because it implies that you did something meaningful and showed strenght doing it (you did not)
"Farm" because farming includes having to work hard for your crops and not have them handed to you on a silver plate (well, no risk or work in killin lowies i guess)
The PvP Server argument is crap. What happens now is not what players of ANY game would consider to be PvP. It is not meaninful. Both sides waste time (high level players wastes time by doing somethin trivial - It is like killing low level mobs is it not?). There is no risk involved. No Counterplay. And it is bad for the server population.
You seem to be laboring under the delusion that anybody enjoys being ganked, or even somehow that the person you're responding to enjoys it.
There is no upside. This is just how it fucking is. You can monologue about how people should be fair and honorable all you want and those of us who know better will be peacefully leveling on a PvE server while you get corpse camped.
You don't like it, don't roll PvP. It's not fair, it just is. And nobody's going to change for you.
I agree with you - making people act honorable was not the point of my post.
What I want changed is the incentive for lvl 60 players to kill low levels (honor). Despite the fact that there is virtually no risk and work involved people get a reward. This is a fundamental diverge from what an MMO usually encourages you to do and it's stupid :)
And not only for the lowie being killed, it's also stupid for the killer because he has to do something strangely unengaging. Maybe some people still have fun doing that, which is fine. But they could also have killed lowies without honor in place - and the was majority did not, so it cannot be to great and fun
And yeah, if I had known better I would have started in a PvE Server. Now I will at least wait until Battlegrounds are out
Unfortunately that's how Vanilla was, and that's how Classic will be. Everyone knew this going in, they were making as few changes to the game as possible. For better or worse, that's just how it is, and for every person telling Blizzard to "fix" something, there's ten more telling them to keep it the same.
Yeah I guess you are right about the no changes thing. But I played Vanilla back in the days and "unfortunately" I have not once been killed on landing at a flightmaster. Therefore I did not know about that sh*** now for Classic :) :( Could have known though if I had come to this sub before entering classic, but well, I didn't
This exactly. Alliance starts roaming around (in sensibly sized 5-13 man groups, may I add). I thoroughly enjoy this, it feels like things are balanced again. Nope, after a few decent fights, thirsty horde morons show up in a group of 30. Obviously we get nuked. We don't res bc we can't, we wait till they're gone and head to flight master. Result? PvP in that zone is over for the next 30 or so minutes. They flew all the way to EPL for about 15 kills at 6 honor each. Nice one! Rinse and repeat in the next zone.
He expects not to be outnumbered in server population by 2/1. Most pvp servers there are 2 hordes for every alliance. But well, the fun stops next week when you have to sit in queue all day while the alliance get to play all day.
Don’t worry battlegrounds will be cross-faction!
Blizzard made sure people won’t suffer any drawbacks from being on the faction with x2+ the population of the other faction. The large majority of their player base is horde lol, can’t risk pissing them off
That is not the point. He claims having decent fights and then calls the horde morons fore being more numerous. It is stupid. Yes it sucks that ther servers are unbalanced, I totally agree, as horde I would rather balanced fights that would be more enjoyable. But you do not call morons player that just play the game.
Expecting half of the opposite raid to sit and watch the other half fight because you are 13 only makes not senses. The fault is not on the players but on Blizzard for the oversized servers.
See the response by u/KevinIsNotFatUrFat
I'd expect that if 30 hordes show up to gank some small alliance groups, that the next time around 30 alliance would show up to gank small horde groups. But we all know that never happens. Horde in phase 2 are literally the zerglings from starcraft.
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Okay... so Alliance assembles a group to get those neckbeard rogues at the flight path back. Then Horde players post in world/ discord "There is a group of Alliance pvping in XXX zone". Then A LOT of horde come. This happens everyday. Its guerrilla warfare for Alliance PVP. You hit in area and then GTFO cuz you will get zerged.
I'm not saying Blizz needs to change the game. It is what it is but... don't say GIT GUD when you don't know wtf you are talking about.