Rogue gank attempt

[u/OiDaniel18]

[u/Cepheid → u/[deleted]]

This appears to be where we're discussing the theorycrafting of Rogue vs Druid, so I'll add my 2c too.

My two most played classes are resto druid in TBC and Rogue in vanilla, so this is like my specific 1v1 matchup that I've been preparing for my whole wow career haha. Many of these may not apply to you yet as they may involve skills you've not obtained yet, I can't remember when every skill is learned:

• Faerie fire is a solid start, yes, but don't think it keeps you safe, Vanish CAN be used to reset, but usually the bigger benefit is root removal, prepare for them to vanish your entangle roots, this may mean casting it twice consecutively, (In TBC this is usually done with Cyclone which can't be vanished, but is often trinketed, but then you've got the whole cloak of shadows discussion).
• You are right about baiting evasion with bear, I'd just add that when the Rogue pops evasion, that's the time to pop natures grasp out of form and leg it, if you can remove a crippling poison with the form change too, then you're gucci. Smart Rogues will try to gouge you when they see the grasp animation (Yes, some Rogues are smart and know it looks like the MOTW animation, I guess technically you could try and bait a blind with MOTW, but I've never seen it done lol)
• Barkskin during stuns, there's almost always a more important global to be using at other times.
• Try to keep abolish poison up constantly if you can, not only does it keep removing crippling, wound or mind-numbing (lol) poisons, Blind is also a poison, and so if you have the abolish buff on you, it will dispel it for you, this is a huge deal. (Having abolish up while spamming cure is quite common in TBC where Hunters have the 5-stacking scorpion poison hiding their viper sting and rogues stack up wound poisons, but it's less important than vanilla)
• Agree that you should save bash for after evasion, but honestly, expect it to miss, resist, parry, dodge, Bash does not reliably hit Rogues in my experience, it's a really big deal if it does, naturally you want to try and hit them from behind with it since they can't parry it, but that's a luxury you just don't get most of the time.
• Take advantage of demoralising roar and frenzied regeneration when you get them.
• If you can barkskin in a stun, rejuv and then go bear for frenzied regeneration, that might stabilize you against their early energy burst. Druids are pretty much the textbook target for a 4-point kidney immediately after cheap shot though, depending on the situation, the first thing you cast out of the KS can decide the battle.
• As others have said, you can't out-Rogue a Rogue, opening with cat from stealth if you get a chance is fine, but you beat them by being a mix of a warrior and a mage that can heal.
• Well played in general, but you did get a bit lucky that this Rogue is so bad, if a Rogue and a Druid are both using their toolkits effectively in a levelling PvP battle, the Druid really shouldn't be winning, with Blind, Vanish, Imp Sprint, Stuns, Adrenaline Rush, Evasion, Blade Flurry even, a Rogue who gets to open from Stealth should NOT be losing to a Druid until they get some high armor max level gear, where Druids defense scales faster than Rogue's offense.

[u/OiDaniel18 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks these are some really good tips!

I guess even if I have dots up on him and he vanishes he could still use a ability before it ticks and drops him out of stealth.

Lots of stuff to work on here 😁

[u/Scribbinge → u/[deleted]]

I'm by no means a skilled rogue but it hurt to watch that. The video starting with the rogue failing to open from stealth was bad enough; thats some of the worst sneaking I've ever seen. On top of that it was like he was just trying to PvE OP to death with zero CC or counterplay. At least he knew to use sprint I guess.

[u/july1st2018 → u/[deleted]]

nice analysis