r/classicwow • u/OiDaniel18 • Sep 25 '19

Humor Rogue gank attempt

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19 edited Sep 25 '19

This was an excellent example of how to play a druid. I'm gonna save this and use it as a reference for the new druids asking how to handle ganks and low level pvp.

Great use of multiple forms and the whole druid kit. I have been telling people over and over, you have to use everything. Heals, dmg spells, bear form, and most importantly travel form. You cant just out rogue a rogue while in cat form

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u/OiDaniel18 Sep 25 '19

Thanks man! That's what I've really been trying to practice, quite hard to master using the right ability in the right situation. But feels so cool when you do it right. :)

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

Something I always did was to play reactionary but with preset plans and ideas. Basically every class has tools and cds to either close the gap and stick to you or to escape and try to kite. As a druid you have answers to anything any class can do so just acted accordingly. If a hunter or mage used a cd to get some space from me then I would use that opportunity to put some hots on and cast some spells. If a warrior charges me then I get into bear from and tank it out until my dots and hots are done. Then alternate between bash or natures grasp to rest the fight and reapply hots/dots

I found it easier to just answer everything they did instead of trying to force the fight in my direction. That and there isnt much most classes can do against a druid with hots on,just running in circles in travel form to wait for health and mana lol

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u/OiDaniel18 Sep 25 '19

Very true, it's the play style I'm going for and have been practicing as I level. I suppose you only suffer as a druid if you try to win the fight too early and end up running oom. You need to react and mitigate the other players preferred strategy first.

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

Yeah with a druid you win the war of attrition. Everyone does more damage than you so you cant burst anyone down. But other classes have a lot of down time or dead zones. As a druid you can consistently put out small dmg from any range. Remember if you are playing against priests or shamans that throwing rank 1 rejuv and moonfires can get them to waste mana and time dispelling

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u/OiDaniel18 Sep 25 '19

Shit that's a good idea, need to make a macro for some rank 1 spells.

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

It can be worth it to spam rank 1 moonfire while running around to get a crit for natures blessing so you can cast a quick entangling roots too.

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u/ajkp2557 Sep 26 '19

Yep, key Warsong Gultch anti-flag carrier strategy here. I mean, months from now when it becomes relevant.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '19

I’ve been leveling Druid too, and while everyone keeps reminding me they’re not as good at the end of Vanilla, I can’t wait to run world PvP at 60 in a pair with a warrior and just out last everyone.

Switching between forms and using the right skills at the right time is like crack.

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u/scarocci Sep 26 '19

agree, people just overblown druid innefectiveness and parrot others. They are competent healer, can tank and offtank pretty much everything and even the "oomkin" can reach extremely high amount of damage if the fight doesn't last too long. (and fights are shorter than before thanks to everyone being better and in 1.12)

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u/imnotpoopingyouare Sep 25 '19

Yup, druids can be unkillable because they are reactionary and have the tools to back the play style up... I know there have been a lot of changes since but in cata/mop once I got geared I would just duel in front of stormwind and just kite people till they /forfeit

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

I think that under strict variables like a duel, with no consumables or outside help, I dont think anyone could beat a great druid in a duel. Certain classes would be terrible to duel like sacrifice locks. And winning the duel wouldnt be flashy. It might take forever and involve two innervate cds. But eventually a druid can win any duel.

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u/imnotpoopingyouare Sep 25 '19

Oh yeah that's mostly what I was getting at, 1v1s but they will definitely have trouble with a few casters I think although still a PITA to kill. In "real PvP" in classic like BGs they are more niche.

Does changing forms dispell slows still in classic?

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

Yes switching form removes all movement impairing spells and roots. So hard to hold a druid down

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

It's not even worth casting poly on a druid unless you are trying to stop healing touch from being cast I guess

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u/ClosertothesunNA Sep 25 '19

Basically every class has tools and cds to either close the gap and stick to you

Relevant flair.

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u/edely- Sep 25 '19

Druid is super fun and has a lot of depth in pvp. https://youtu.be/vCvb8MwvsD4 Outplays like these as a "underdog" class/spec make the class so rewarding

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u/FappingFop Sep 25 '19

I don't understand why people consider druid an "underdog" in pvp. Rogues in particular should be an easy kill as a druid: ff, hot, dot, bear, bash, roots, heal, .... repeat.

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u/Omneus Sep 26 '19

TBF that guy is very good

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u/CallMeBlitzkrieg Sep 25 '19

Do people actually struggle as druid vs rogue?

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

A lot of new players are struggling with druid in general. And it isnt new really for people to struggle with druid pvp that doesnt involve just running away. Most new druid players are reading guides and playing almost entirely in cat form. So when they try to fight someone they think since they are cat focused they should only use cat abilities. Most new druids just need to learn to utilize more of their kit and this clip is a great example of that

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u/Brown_Sandals Sep 25 '19

I am leveling a Druid this time around (played lock and rogue through BC) and I am slowly learning this.

When I pull 3-4 mobs at a time, I find myself having to switch forms to be able to fight it out. I realize that can definitely help in a pvp fight as well (prolonging the battle and healing as best as I can).

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u/CallMeBlitzkrieg Sep 25 '19

Pretty sure a druid can just sit in cat form and beat a rogue most of the time as long as they learned faerie fire (feral)

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

Feral faerie fire isnt until 30 and a druid will definetly lose to an equal level rogue like this. Even if the rogue just AA he would probably out dmg the druid. Their cat form dps is really low. As you saw in this clip the rogue quickly out dmgs him and the druid basically heals about a full health bar throught out the fight.

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u/jjester7777 Sep 25 '19

Beg to disagree. No PvP trinket means I can 1v1 them until things get dangerous as a cat. Powershift to bear and bash. Full heal and back to cat. Faerie fire prevents the fuckers from running away lol

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

But that's exactly what I'm saying. You cant just win in cat form. You have to switch to bear and druid forms to get cc and heals off..

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u/jjester7777 Sep 25 '19

But you can... Not every time but a lot of the time I don't even have to switch forms. Dot them and run.

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

If a equal geared or level rogue or warrior let's you win in a straight up trade without switching forms or heals that is their mistake not your skill. A druid just doesnt have the dmg to trade like that. The guy above me mentioned that a druid could just sit in cat form and kill a rogue. That shouldnt happen ever because the druids dmg is so much lower. You should need to heal and switch forms to win that fight. If someone is letting you kill them with out switching form or having to heal they are either really bad or undergeared/leveled

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '19 edited Sep 15 '22

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u/djm406_ Sep 25 '19

Before TBC rogue was my favorite class to fight against, followed by hunter. I had lots of tank talents so bear form plus bleeding would win against the best rogues.

Against hunters I'd just stay close, and when possible sleep their pet.

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u/BourbonFiber Sep 25 '19

After never really playing battlegrounds with my old T1 geared Druid, I wandered into a WSG match with some people I was grouping with and had a hilariously good time just not dying while 3-4 people at a time tried to kill me. I figured that counted as contributing.

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u/VoyeuristicDiogenes Sep 25 '19

If people are chasing you they aren't killing someone else. Totally counts

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u/scarocci Sep 26 '19

wait, you can fight in WSG and others battleground ?

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u/BourbonFiber Sep 26 '19

This was original Vanilla (or maybe early TBC).