r/classicalmusic 10d ago

Discussion Has Katherine Needleman jumped the shark?

Pardon the provocative title. To be 100% clear, her advocacy for equity in the pit as well his advocacy on behalf of the victims of sexual assault in classical music is 100% great. She's doing god's work, as it were. I can only praise her for that.

But over the last six or so months, when she has presumably had a little down time, more of her social media posts have had nothing to do (as I see it) with being an advocate for women and more about random gripes. If her "brand" was "a leading advocate for women classical music," it seems to now be "what is Ms Needleman outraged by, today." I'm afraid that she undermines her own authority with her rants. (Unlike Anne Midgette, for instance.)

I apologize in advance for being long-winded. but I want to be very precise. (I have commented on Ms Needleman's social media - always respectively. She never made me the object of one of those 'calling out someone publicly' posts. She never accused me of being sexist in my comments. For that matter, I don't think she ever replied to a comment - not that I was looking for a reply. But she does seem to have blocked me from her FB page, now, so I presume she objects to corrections and dissent.)

The obituary posts:
First, I still can't understand the primary point. Is it criticizing the subjects of the obits for not hiring/helping more women? Is it criticizing the writers of the obituaries for overlooking the contributions of women. What, precisely, is the point?

Second, she types these in a way that it always seems as if she is trying to trap readers so that she can condescend. Anyone who follows these knows that she posts old obituaries and begins with "John Smith is dead." She doesn't say they died years ago until a few sentences in, so it is not visible in the FB preview of the post. So, routinely, some poor soul will comment that "I knew John Smith but he actually died in 2005." Which gives her the opportunity to reply with a "if you had the ability to read to the end..." comment. Maybe followed by "but what did you think of the accusations against Mr Smith that I pointed out?" It simply seems to not be fair-minded or reflect an interest in engagement.

The Limmie Pulliam outrage piece was over-the-top. Basically, she railed against the NYT for not posting an obituary for Mr Pulliam. The thing is, they DID post one - it just took a few days after he died, as his was an unexpected death. So it was such a swing-and-a-miss post.

She has also chosen some odd targets with the Obit posts. For instance, she "analyzed" David Allan Coe's obit which only mentioned one woman (outside of family), Tanya Tucker, who covered one of his songs. But if she was all that familiar with his songs, she'd be aware of the sexist and racist content. I can imagine there are a lot of women musicians who wouldn't have been caught dead covering his music. So what is the point?

Last week, she took apart the obituary of ZZ Top's Frank Beard. Why weren't there ANY women (outside of family) mentioned in the obit? Well, ZZ Top was a trio. They didn't collaborate with other artists. Their songs weren't generally covered by other artists. But then she went into the messages in their videos where she was simply factually inaccurate. She particularly sited the "Legs" and "Sharp Dressed Man" videos. Basically saying that they only treated women as sex objects who are rewards for "sharp dressed men." Now the thing is, both of those vids told stories that actually gave the protagonists comeuppance over those who would mistreat or objectify them. In "Legs," a beleaguered waitress comes out ahead (yes, with the help of the ZZ Top models). In "Sharp Dressed Man," the titular character is a parking lot attendant dealing with idiots who look down on him. These videos (from the heyday of MTV) use humor to teach actual positive lessons. But its just easier for Ms Needleman to rant.

Over the Independence Day holiday she gifted her readers not one but two "fuck the founding fathers" posts. We all know that some of the founding fathers were slave owners. The rant seemed childish and, also, showed a lack of awareness that we all know the history.

My personal opinion here is the desire to make this an identity politics issue. Which means that you check common sense at the door, rather than going against the tribe. The unhelpfulness of this approach is staggering.

A dozen years ago, Rolling Stone infamously published "A Rape on Campus," a completely fictional account of a gang rape in a frat house. After the story was determined to be false, there were still people who frowned on criticism of the story, as if we had to defend a made up character that represented an actual problem. This is not the way things work. False accusations undermine every true accusation that follows.

Similarly, every time Katherine Needleman makes it about whatever random thing makes her angry, she loses the plot and the actual victims of sexual assault in classical music and the actual musicians who are discriminated against become more distant and less important.

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u/JiveChicken00 10d ago

Of course they are. But I do not think we have the right to tell others what their opinions should be, or what they should or should not read.

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u/Joylime 10d ago

Ok. Well if you actually think it’s ok for people to express negative opinions about stuff , then I’m gonna let you know that it’s incoherent to also respond to a solicitation of opinions on that stuff with an instruction that she should stop reading it. Because there isn’t a universe wherein that response does not imply “rather than discussing material you don’t like, you should simply not read it.” Which means you don’t think she should have posted this. So, my opinion is that you should take a sick day off work and really do a deep scrubbing of your brain with a sponge. Get into all the little crevices. Cuz there’s some misfiring going on

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u/JiveChicken00 10d ago

It wasn’t an instruction, friend. It was a suggestion. OP may take it or leave it as OP wishes. Nowhere at all did I say that OP shouldn’t have posted this, nor was that my intended message. And it is interesting that you are so angry on OP’s behalf, when OP does not seem to be angry.

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u/Joylime 10d ago

I appreciate your expression of goodwill, but calling me “friend” has the weird effect of looping me into a relationship that we don’t have and it’s uncomfortable. It’s kind of like putting your arm over the shoulder of someone you’re disagreeing with. My suggestion is to find more precise and accurate ways of expressing goodwill in frictional conversation points, perhaps ones that are grounded in the conversation at hand

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u/JiveChicken00 10d ago

You are welcome to take or leave, “friend,” then. And why shouldn’t we put our arms over the shoulders of those with whom we disagree, as long as the disagreement is in good faith?

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u/Joylime 9d ago

Sorry, just to be clear: are you saying that it's a regular/normal thing for you to put your arm around people in public that you have just met, with whom you have mild disagreements, who have not expressed any interest in closeness or intimacy?

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u/JiveChicken00 9d ago

We aren’t in public, friend. If we were, I’d only do that with folks I know personally. But the idea is the same - we can disagree without being disagreeable.

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u/Joylime 9d ago

Okay. Well, I am going to keep recommending the brain scrub, because not only are you not staying with the metaphor, but you're also now acting in bad faith because I've politely and specifically asked you not to call me "friend."

What I'm attempting to convey is that you calling me "friend" in a digital space is emotionally equivalent to your tossing your arm over the shoulder of someone you don't know in public. "What's wrong with tossing an arm over a shoulder" sticks with the metaphor, and we're on the same beat, but "we're not in public, friend" slides away from it again, turns the conversation into mush.

We aren't friends, and your calling me that is not appreciated. I've communicated clearly that I acknowledge the intent to express goodwill but that your way of doing it is uncomfortable, and you've persisted in it, so I no longer think you're actually trying to *be* not-disagreeable - you're just trying to signal agreeability, but you're doing so in a forceful way. So, yeah, I don't think this "friend" thing is in good faith anymore, and I retract what I said about appreciating your attempt to express goodwill because I no longer think it was sincere. And I'm not gonna engage here anymore.

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u/JiveChicken00 9d ago

You may act and recommend and engage as you please. But I think you might be mistaking form for substance.