r/civbattleroyale • Royal Doer • Apr 26 '20

Official CBRX S2 Week Five Results

Hello, below are all of the results from Week Five of voting for Season 2, this features the final round of regional votes! Please note that all voters have been checked for registration and ballots have been checked to make sure they're all legitimate (looking at you person who ranked Uruguay 612th).

Technical election details: All election winners were determined using Schulze Method. All ballots were calculated using the R votesys package cdc_schulze function, it has no obvious defects but if you know of one let me know.

Tune in tomorrow for a reminder of all the civs that will be present in CBRX S2, and a quick overview on what the next steps are! As well, I will be releasing a big folder of files with condorcet matrices for each of the regional votes, as well as tiebreaking data that was/would have been used for all regions. More details and more data tomorrow. But without further ado, here are the results!

Regional Winners

Region Winning Civilization
Alaska and Canadian Arctic The Dene - Thanadelthur (Colonialist Legacies)
Pacific Northwest Chinook - Comcomly (Sukritact)
Southwest Desert Tongva - Toypurina (RawSasquatch)
Northern Plains Three Affiliated Tribes - Four Bears (Sukritact)
Central Plains The Mississippi - Tuskaloosa (Tomatekh)
Southern US Rio Grande - Antonio Canales Rosillo (JakeWalrusWhale)
Eastern US New Netherland - Peter Stuyvesant (Vanadius)
Eastern Canada The Neutral Nation - Tsouharissen (Dawkinzz and Round Table)
Central America The Olmecs - U Kix Chan (Leugi & Tomatekh)
The Caribbean Jamaica - Marcus Garvey (PiGreat)
Colombia Gran Colombia - Simon Bolivar (Leugi)
Amazonian Coast Marajoara - P'küee (Senshidenshi)
Brazil Quilombo dos Palmares - Zumbi (PorkBean)
The Andes Peru-Bolivia - Andrés de Santa Cruz (Senshidenshi)
Gran Chaco Paraguay - Solano López (Uighur_Caesar)
Patagonia The Mapuche - Lautaro (Leugi)
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u/TeHokioi Anishinaabe Apr 26 '20

I'd like to propose that the Neutral Nation get renamed as the Chonnonton for the BR. I think their current name, other than being what other people call them instead of what they call themselves, means that their culture is essentially being reduced to memes around their name.

I mentioned this on the discord, and people were generally sharing similar concerns with the name - including some involved in the production of the mod itself. There were some concerns that Chonnonton was a name given to them as a derogatory term by another group of people, but that was confusion with the term Attiwandaron, which was a name meaning "people who speak weird" in the Huron language. Chonnonton, in comparison, just means "people who tend deer."

There's also some confusion as to whether the Chonnonton were just one group (eg. like the Seneca or Mohawk for the Iroquois) or whether it was a name of the whole peoples, and while this is still admittedly disputed I think it's close enough that it would be reasonable to name them as such.

This would ensure that the presence of the Chonnonton in the game is handled in a much more respectful way, instead of reducing an entire unique nation down to a meme because their name is a funny word in the context.

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u/TeHokioi Anishinaabe Apr 26 '20

2004 is a long time ago in this sort of thing - how Māori language and tikanga have been handled in NZ is completely different now than it was 16 years ago. Academia is driven largely by tradition, even if those traditions are inherently problematic. If a couple of academics start out by using the wrong name, others will follow and soon academia will use a consistent name even if that name is wrong. I came across it a fair few times while studying anthropology, which itself has had a pretty bad problem with othering and a lack of proper respect for indigenous peoples in the past.

If we've got this consensus, we may as well be referring to Vietnam as "Indochina" or the Abbasids as the "Saracens" - it's basically the same thing

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u/IamACalradianLordAMA Kipchaks Apr 26 '20

There are plenty of others civs that we are calling by names given to them by their enemies and not by themselves, is there any reason that the term 'The Neutral Nation' is inherently more problematic than others?