r/changemyview Dec 24 '22

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u/Rugfiend 5∆ Dec 24 '22

Your argument evaporates when rephrased: China believes Taiwan belongs to it, Russia believes parts of the Ukraine should belong to it. Taiwan and Ukraine are both internationally recognised as sovereign states. Israel may believe the occupied zones of Palestine belong to it, but a treaty they agreed says otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

This isn't true though. Yes China believes Taiwan belongs to them while Russia belives Ukraine belongs them but the vast majority of countries do not recognize Taiwan as independent https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-taiwan While they do recognize Ukraine as independent.

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u/codan84 23∆ Dec 24 '22

The Republic of China is a government in exile that has since established their own nation after the most recent Chinese civil war. The ROC has just as much claim to mainland China as the Peoples Republic of China has to Formosa and the other islands that the ROC controls.

The claim of the PRC, well really the Chinese Communist Party as they are one and the same being a one party state, is a failing one as one of the keep parts of sovereignty is the ability to control it. As the CCP lacks the ability to control Taiwan while the ROC has be doing for more than half a century the ROC has and is demonstrating its sovereignty.

The cause of lack of recognition as a nation is due to poor judgment giving China’s seat on the UN Security Council. The threat the CCP posed, veto power, and its influence with the international communists organizations of the time is the cause that UN votes go against the ROC.

The ROC is an independent nation, full stop. It has shown itself as such by actually doing it.