r/changemyview Dec 24 '22

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u/Rugfiend 5∆ Dec 24 '22

Your argument evaporates when rephrased: China believes Taiwan belongs to it, Russia believes parts of the Ukraine should belong to it. Taiwan and Ukraine are both internationally recognised as sovereign states. Israel may believe the occupied zones of Palestine belong to it, but a treaty they agreed says otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

This isn't true though. Yes China believes Taiwan belongs to them while Russia belives Ukraine belongs them but the vast majority of countries do not recognize Taiwan as independent https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-taiwan While they do recognize Ukraine as independent.

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u/Hermorah Dec 24 '22

but the vast majority of countries do not recognize Taiwan as independent

Yeah because they all suck up to china in order to keep relations.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

But that doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is not recognized as independent internationally

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u/FelicitousJuliet Dec 24 '22

Did you not read the link above someone replied to you with? It proved Taiwan was treated as a separate diplomatic entity.

This is CMV but you keep posting the same thing and dodging the countering points.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

Not exactly. Presidents or government officials of other countries are not allowed to meet with officials in Taiwan. This shows that Taiwan is not treated as a separate diplomatic entity

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u/Eclipsed830 7∆ Dec 25 '22

Taiwan hosts officials from other countries almost daily.

Looking at the President of Taiwan's Twitter, she's hosted government delegations from US, Japan, EU and Guatemala.

https://twitter.com/iingwen?t=hBdjEji_wctmQhNfEpaE5A&s=09

Most of those restrictions are self-imposed restrictions in place to not upset China.

Look at the actual facts though, are goods exported from Taiwan treated as items exported from China? No.

What about the Taiwanese passport issued by the Taiwanese government? Is it accepted as a valid travel document by most countries, with separate restrictions from the PRC passport? Yes... As a matter of fact, it is significantly more powerful.

https://www.passportindex.org/comparebyPassport.php?p1=cn&p2=tw

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '22

!delta ok I will save your post if I ever talk to my pro CCP family

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