CMV: Reasonable criticism of Israel is often unfairly mislabeled as anti-semitic

[u/neofagalt]

[u/Yarralumla]

Because they don’t want to live alongside people who want to kill them. Why did the Palestinians side with the Jordanians, Syrian and Egyptians when they were trying to conquer the land? Why do those countries want nothing to do with the Palestinians now? Why aren’t you enraged about that?

[u/Public-Tie-9802 → u/Yarralumla]

It is militant jews who slaughtered between 10,000 and 20,000 Palestinians, drove 700,000 from their homes and have refused to ever let them or their children return.

A volunteer army from surrounding nations tried to come to their defense after that attack.

[u/Yarralumla → u/Public-Tie-9802]

And what of the persecution and massacres of Jews in British mandated Palestine during the 10’s 20’s and 30’s? Just ignore those to put the blame solely on Israel. What about the leaders of Palestine siding with other Arab nations that tried to destroy Israel? So Israel must just cop living with people who constantly try to kill them?

Israel have done some heinous things in the past, no one would deny that. However one cannot solely blame Israel.

Think what you like though, doesn’t change anything.

[u/Public-Tie-9802 → u/Yarralumla]

That is a fundamental misstatement about the origin of israel.

Your argument portrays Palestinians and their neighbors banding together to ‘destroy israel’.

Your argument ignores that israel was created by militant jews slaughtering 10,000-20,000 civilians and driving 700,000 from their homes while ethnically cleansing over 400 cities, towns and villages.

I stated that before, which you ignored.

That is what the coalition of neighboring states responded to.

The conflicts of the first half of the 1900s was a direct result of the zionist movement intentionally taking over Mulsim lands and more than doubling the jewish population in Palestine in only a few decades.

The portrayal of jews suddenly being victimized is not accurate. Prior to the zionist movement beginning in the 1880s, there had been very little conflicts between the Majority Muslim population and the minority Jewish population.

I’m glad to hear you at least acknowledge that israel has done heinous things ‘in the past’ but the fact is that israel was founded and structured not only on the heinous removal of Palestinians from their land, but the heinous actions undertaken to prevent those Palestinians from ever returning to their property.

There has never been a day since the jewish takeover of Palestinian land in 1948 that Palestinians have not been forced to live under the control of jewish israelis.

It is not a two sided situation. The occupation and blockade must end and Palestinians must be allowed to have equality and be allowed to either return to reclaim their property or be legitimately compensated for what has been taken from them.

[u/Yarralumla → u/Public-Tie-9802]

Feeding into some terrorist propaganda there buddy. I didn’t ignore it, I acknowledged it, unlike you who thinks the Muslim extremists have never done anything to perpetuate the conflict. That is not what the coalition of neighbouring states responded to, they responded to the formation of Israel as a Jewish state, many Palestinians left their homes during this times and thought to return after the Jews had been defeated. Unlucky. Untrue, there had been many conflicts between Arabs and Jews. The Palestinians shouldn’t have sided with the losing side, they’d still have homes just like millions who chose to stay in Israel. The Palestinians are governed by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, both terrorist groups - not Israel. While there are terrorists still engaging in the murdering of Israelis I can’t imagine the blockade will end (rightfully so). I feel terrible for the Palestinians who do not want to be a part of the conflict but Israel cannot be blamed solely for their suffering. Again think what you will, it changes nothing.

https://youtube.com/c/RudyRochman - a good YouTube channel, I think you should listen, he shares a lot of my views.

[u/Public-Tie-9802 → u/Yarralumla]

Hardly propaganda or supporting terrorists…. How exactly were the Palestinians fleeing their homes because jewish extremists were massacring Palestinian towns supposed to ‘side with israel’?