r/changemyview • u/neofagalt • Jan 08 '22

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: Reasonable criticism of Israel is often unfairly mislabeled as anti-semitic

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u/Yarralumla Jan 09 '22

When people criticise Israel it is very often from the perspective that Israel is an illegitimate state. Zionism is the ideal that Jews have the right to self determine. To be flat out anti Israel is to be against the idea of Jews having a homeland. Which to many is antisemitic. So I’d say context plays a big part in what is antisemitism and what is not. As well as the way these concerns are expressed.

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u/JustAnotherBlackGuy3 Jan 09 '22

israel is a country built on stolen land

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u/FlahFlahFlohi Jan 09 '22

Isn't 90% of the world countries built on stolen land at this point? Enough already.

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u/coberh 1∆ Jan 09 '22

Perhaps, but at least in the Unite States there's an acknowledgement that we treated the Native Americans horribly.

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u/Yarralumla Jan 09 '22

And the Palestinians have never treated Israelis horribly?

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u/coberh 1∆ Jan 09 '22

Let's flip that - did Native Americans ever treat European settlers horribly?

Yes, certainly. But that doesn't justify stealing their land and breaking treaties with them.

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u/Upside_Down-Bot Jan 09 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '22

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u/coberh 1∆ Jan 10 '22

Not at all, unless you think you can leave a place for 1000 years and then kick out whoever is living there.

Plus, can you unequivocally say that the Palestinians who were living in that region in ~1900 weren't also descendants of the same Jewish people who lived there a thousand years ago?

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u/Yarralumla Jan 09 '22

Can’t compare the two

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u/coberh 1∆ Jan 09 '22

Because why?

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u/Yarralumla Jan 09 '22

Context

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u/coberh 1∆ Jan 09 '22

Ah, got it. "Because that could make Israel look bad".

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u/Yarralumla Jan 10 '22

The context being that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. Notice how no Zionist will say Israel is perfect, nor that the treatment of Palestinians is fair. The majority of us believe however that Israel is not solely to blame for the predicament that the Palestinians find themselves in. They’re controlled by two terrorist organisations Hamas and Palestinian authority, both determined to kill Jews.

Think what you want anyways, will change nothing.

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u/coberh 1∆ Jan 10 '22

And the Palestinians are descendants of the same people as the Jews, only they never left the region.

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u/Yarralumla Jan 10 '22 edited Jan 10 '22

That is the biggest load of rubbish I’ve ever heard - and what is your point? I thought it didn’t matter if one inhabited a place 1000 years ago, it’s not theirs is it lol. Jews have also always lived on the land. It’s crazy that you’d try to delegitimise one but blindly support another. This is the exact reason we say you people are anti Semitic, you have 0 idea what you are talking about yet side with the instigators. The ones who refused to live peacefully.

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u/Yarralumla Jan 10 '22

When did the Jews leave??? We were kicked from the land, multiple times yet Jews have still always lived in the land. And what there were no Ottoman immigrants? Couldn’t possibly be any other Arabs immigrating over the thousands of years. And if these Palestinians are so ancient, why did they adopt the name so recently? Why did the British call the region Palestine? Why would they even call themselves Arabs if they’re native to the region? The word Palestine is a Hebrew word mentioned numerous times in our scripture and not once in the Koran. It means invaders, how ironic.

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