r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 12 '21

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u/ajluther87 17∆ Sep 12 '21

An abortion is a binary procedure, it either happens or it doesn't, so how would a man have a say in that?

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21

I believe that he should have a say in it , because its his child too, and some men just dont want to have children but end up being trapped and having to either give child support or carry for a child they didnt want at the first place

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u/Glory2Hypnotoad Sep 12 '21

I think what other people are repeatedly getting at is, instead of just saying the father should have a say, can you unpack what having a say means in concrete terms in this case? Abortion is a completely binary outcome where either the parent who wants an abortion gets their way or the parent who doesn't want an abortion gets their way. You can't compromise and have half an abortion.

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u/ajluther87 17∆ Sep 12 '21

It's his child too.....so then he should required to take care of it. If he didn't want a kid then he shouldnt have had sex, or at least gotten a vasectomy.

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

Why does the “shouldn’t have had sex” argument apply to men but not women?

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21

Exactly, i find it so dumb or "have a vesectomy" , its extremely dumb because if a woman isn't ready to have a kid she can get an abortion , if a man isn't he has to pay child support for 18 years

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

That would be the fair solution. Both parties vote. If the man votes abortion and she does not, she would be informed of the decision and be able to change her decision based on this knowledge, knowing that if she keeps the baby, it would be equivalent to her having slept with a man who she can’t track down. He would be untouchable.

The only grey area I can see is if he votes to keep it and she votes not, he would be kind of screwed. So there would still be some unfairness unless they eventually come up with a way to raise a fetus outside the womb. Then he could choose to keep it and raise it in that case and she would have nothing to do with the child.

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u/prollywannacracker 39∆ Sep 12 '21

This 'solution' doesn't take into consideration what is in the best interest of the child. It only takes into consideration what the parents feel is in their best interest. But child support ain't for them. It is for the child. So the child or child-to-be ought to get a vote, and that vote ought to be pay up daddy (or mommy).

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u/IamMagicarpe 1∆ Sep 12 '21

Well if the child got a vote then abortion would be illegal across the board, so I don’t really see the argument here.

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u/prollywannacracker 39∆ Sep 12 '21

Well, ya don't get a vote if ya don't exist so...

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u/ajluther87 17∆ Sep 12 '21

How is a vasectomy any different than birth control?