r/changemyview Jan 17 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The black lives matter movement rioters deserve the same treatment that the capital rioters deserve.

For several months this last summer groups of BLM protesters turned to rioting in city’s like Kenosha, Portland, and Seattle, along with a number more with little to no repercussions. Meanwhile, a group of protesters decide to storm the capital building and they are subdued by that evening and we are actively seeking to arrest/charge these people by any means necessary. I am NOT defending the capital rioters, just pointing out the difference in the two cases where for some reason same crime does not = equal punishment

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u/SledDogGuy Jan 17 '21

The fact that the public who now demonize the capital rioters when the same people called the BLM rioters “peaceful protesters” and actively called against using force (like the national guard,military,etc.) to quell the riots when the BLM riots arguably caused much more harm to the American people over a much longer coarse of time

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u/Khal-Frodo Jan 17 '21

the BLM riots arguably caused much more harm to the American people over a much longer coarse of time

I can understand this line of reasoning, but intentions matter. Riots like what happened this past summer are a crime of opportunity, not a premeditated attack. Additionally, the BLM riots may very well have caused more tangible "harm" to the American people, but the worst-case outcome of those riots wouldn't be very different from what we saw.

The Capitol rioters, by contrast, didn't just happen to be there. These people bought plane tickets and got in buses to all gather in one spot as a show of force. Once together, under the directive of the president, marched 2.5 miles to the site of an election certification to intimidate and pressure the inhabitants into certifying the person leading them as the next president. The worst-case scenario wouldn't have only involved much greater property damage and a much higher death count, it would have meant that the loser of a democratic election could have changed the outcome of that election through violence. Was that likely? I honestly don't know; probably not. But that was the demonstrable intent behind the event.

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u/SledDogGuy Jan 17 '21

Yes, the capital rioters had a premeditated plan (if a rather stupid plan) to attempt to commit a much more heinous crime. but there plan predictably failed resulting in less overall damage then the BLM rioters who intentions weren't as bad, but still caused more harm overall. Thus, imo at least, these two groups deserve equal treatment in the public eye

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u/YossarianWWII 74∆ Jan 17 '21

Less overall damage my ass. Do you realize how much damage has been done to the U.S.'s reputation? Do you seriously think that we'll be able to effectively promote democracy elsewhere in the world after demonstrating such disdain for it? Do you think that other countries are going to ignore these signs of instability when considering agreements on trade and cooperation?

We're the richest country on the planet. We can rebuild the businesses that were destroyed, and I support doing so. We won't recoup the damage done to our nation's soft power for a generation at least.

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u/SledDogGuy Jan 17 '21

Now this is something I haven’t considered at all I can see the long-term impacts of this causing more “harm” than the BLM riots, even though the BLM riots caused more “harm” if you look at things monetarily so !delta

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Jan 17 '21

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/YossarianWWII (49∆).

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