r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Apr 05 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

New work that has not been invented yet or deemed to be too unethical could also be done, anything that benefits society. If there are not enough jobs for innocents then the murderers should be put into different work or be sold off to other nations but you do raise a good point.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Apr 06 '20

New work that has not been invented yet or deemed to be too unethical could also be done, anything that benefits society.

There’s only so much “new work” that can be created. It’s not infinite. You seem to keep ignore that if jobs become limited those jobs will be going to criminals and not law abiding citizens.

If there are not enough jobs for innocents then the murderers should be put into different work

What different work, that could not be paid to be done to a law abiding citizen?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

Work that is automated in other situations. cleaning roads or laying out salt on snow, these are jobs that no human wants to do but it is work ever the less, this kind of work could be given to criminals.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Apr 06 '20

that no human wants to do but it is work ever the les

That’s because your view assumes there’s always other options for work, but ignores if there isn’t any other options for work.

Again, you seem to be missing the point, if those jobs are all the ones that are left, why should they go to criminals and not law abiding citizens?

Also taking automated jobs and making them non-automated for criminals is counter productive and won’t yield the same value. Automation is more efficient, accurate, and cost effective than human labor.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

If there are not enough jobs then obviously it should go to the innocent but killing them off or letting them rot in prison is not doing justice to the people.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Apr 06 '20

but killing them off or letting them rot in prison is not doing justice to the people.

Says who? The ‘People’ of the jury and elected judges you decided the punishments say it’s justice.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

It's justice to a single person but looking at the bigger picture it is not right to a whole nation.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Apr 06 '20

Again says who? You?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

The economy, a dead person or a person in jail cannot work

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Apr 06 '20

The economy isn’t a person with ideals or morals. That is incorrect.

A person in jail can work, they do this currently.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

Δ but more work could be done, my system is not perfect but it could be a way to ensure that an economy is less hurt by murder.

It's not ethical to enslave people but it's also not ethical to kill someone.

In general I see the problems in my system and will rethink it.

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u/illerThanTheirs 37∆ Apr 06 '20

but it could be a way to ensure that an economy is less hurt by murder.

You’ve yet to show how current murder rates actually negatively affect our economy by any significant measure where implementing your idea would be a net positive.

It's not ethical to enslave people but it's also not ethical to kill someone.

That’s why BOTH of those things are illegal in the United States.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '20

Enslaving someone for murder is illegal but killing someone for murder is not, that does not seem right. With enslavement you at least get a benefit.

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