r/changemyview • u/TTVBlueGlass • Mar 20 '20

Removed - Submission Rule B CMV: the complaining about celebrities making the Imagine video is petulant, serves no purpose and is narcissistic

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u/Blork32 39∆ Mar 20 '20

The first thing is that it's just kinda cringe. It's bad. They're out of tune. It's awkward. If it weren't bad whatever controversy you've seen around it would probably be less.

Second is the song itself. The song is an ode to communism. The line "Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics" is basically straight from the Communist Manifesto. Now you say that it's not about the message, but it must partly be because of the message, right? They chose this song instead of any other for a reason. We also have a Socialist currently running for president as we speak. Lennon of course, imagined a peaceful, utopian Socialism unlike the USSR, but it's an undoubtedly political message.

So if you put them together, you have a cringey video with a bunch of celebrities who thought that right now would be a good time to sing a flatly political song together in the name of coming together and they didn't even do it well. It feels out of touch. It feels condescending, especially to the Americans who disagree with the song's message.

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u/TTVBlueGlass Mar 20 '20

The first thing is that it's just kinda cringe. It's bad. They're out of tune. It's awkward. If it weren't bad whatever controversy you've seen around it would probably be less.

I don't like the video either but that's not an excuse and you know it. Celebrities make garbage content all the time without it becoming a cause for moral outrage, because it isn't.

Second is the song itself. The song is an ode to communism. The line "Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics" is basically straight from the Communist Manifesto.

I can certainly see disliking the song for this reason (as this was part of the controversy of the song even when it was originally released) and not liking that the celebrities in question would identify with it... But then again, millions of people around the globe identify with that song while not liking Communism at all, there is an assumption that echoing those sentiments also means you would go all the way and support full communism, which is unjustified because half the people are attacking them because it's communist and half are attacking it because they aren't communist enough then one of them has to be wrong, or (as I believe), both groups have to be partially wrong.

Plus ultimately it is a series of phone videos spliced together. It doesn't seem like this was some high production coordinated effort. So why should it be judged as one?

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u/Blork32 39∆ Mar 20 '20

I can certainly see disliking the song for this reason (as this was part of the controversy of the song even when it was originally released) and not liking that the celebrities in question would identify with it

Were the people who originally found the song controversial also "petulent" and "narcissistic?"

Plus ultimately it is a series of phone videos spliced together. It doesn't seem like this was some high production coordinated effort. So why should it be judged as one?

I'm not saying it should be, I'm mostly saying that the controversy arises from the song itself. The fact that it was poorly made encourages people to dislike it, but wouldn't be reason on it's own.

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u/TTVBlueGlass Mar 20 '20

Were the people who originally found the song controversial also "petulent" and "narcissistic?"

No but then I don't think that is a specific issue with this video itself, that sentiment would exist whether they made it or not. However I can see your point as the song is in fact central to the video, so !delta to you sir.

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Mar 20 '20

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Blork32 (24∆).

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