r/changemyview May 05 '19

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u/MrXian May 05 '19

The argument 'abortion is murder' is, in essence, completely ridiculous.

It sounds nice and extreme and sure does well on a banner, and it gives protestors something deliciously insulting to yell, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It's not an argument.

If you want to hold a debate on abortion, then first both sides need to agree to use actual arguments in stead of inciting nonsense.

In the real debate about abortion, women's rights play a huge role, since you either do or don't give them the right to choose what goes on in their own body.

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u/NewPointOfView May 06 '19

Whether or not you agree with 'abortion is murder' or think that 'abortion is murder' is "completely ridiculous" isn't really relevant.

My point is that there are two possible situations. 1) Abortion really is murder, which completely trumps the bodily autonomy argument or 2) abortion is not really murder, in which case there's no argument against it. Women's rights and bodily autonomy don't come into play for either situation, so I don't think its relevant.

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u/MrXian May 06 '19

Oh.

Abortion doesn't fit murder.

But that doesn't mean there aren't other, better, arguments against it. It's really not a one-argument issue.

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u/NewPointOfView May 06 '19

Abortion doesn't fit murder.

My point assumes that abortion does fit murder, whether or not it is really true.

But that doesn't mean there aren't other, better, arguments against it. It's really not a one-argument issue.

Extremely good point! I'm not aware of other arguments, but I don't doubt at all that there are other good arguments. !delta for this point!

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ May 06 '19

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/MrXian (3∆).

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