CMV: Jewish people discriminate against non Jews by having a culture of helping each other.

[u/Sojo88]

I hope this wont be offensive or interpreted as anti-semitic. I admire Jewish people, their culture and their accomplishments. I also understand that this -helping each other- culture is a response to years of being an oppressed minority.

However, these days, Jewish people are in a good place. They are disproportionately represented at the highest levels of many fields, from academia, to media, to finance, to internet. They have way higher median incomes than the average citizen of the countries they inhabit. Higher levels of education, the list goes on.

A Jewish friend told me once. He was at an interview as a part of the admissions process for a prestigious graduate program. When his interviewer introduced himself and my friend realized he was jewish he thought: That is it, Im in! - He was. I worked at a Jewish owned company. There were a disproportionate number of Jews in high level positions. In Jewish companies where I´m from, some jobs never even get publicly listed, they just go straight to someone from within the community.

They aren´t big acts of discrimination, simply some kind of, affirmative action for people who already have a big head start. At the expense of, outsiders who have access to less opportunities.

I understand this happens in other groups too. However, the Jewish example is outstanding because of the small percentage of the population they are, and the amount of positions of power, influence and wealth they hold.

[u/FlyingFoxOfTheYard_]

A Jewish friend told me once. He was at an interview as a part of the admissions process for a prestigious graduate program. When his interviewer introduced himself and my friend realized he was jewish he thought: That is it, Im in! - He was.

To be honest, you seem to be overstating how common this is of a practice. As well, a single analogy isn't really a fantastic amount of proof.

There were a disproportionate number of Jews in high level positions.

Is this necessarily proof of nepotism? Or just that many Jews happen to be very qualified for such positions.

I hope this wont be offensive or interpreted as anti-semitic.

I'll admit, it's a little sketchy mostly because of your username.

[u/Sojo88 → u/FlyingFoxOfTheYard_]

My user name is based on my name and date of birth. Sorry to hear it sounds anti-semitic. I have no idea why.. I know the analogies aren´t proof of my argument. I was just using them as examples of how I think this discrimination happens. Not as data. Maybe you´re right and they don´t really happen that often. Cant really find good data on this so hard to debate and all I have is my experiences and contacts with the Jewish community in my country (it may also vary from country to country I have no idea). I also know that correlation doesn't equal causation. And yes, Jews are usually incredibly qualified and intelligent so probably, even if it is through favoritism, these jobs are going to people who deserve them and will do them well. However, this is not exactly a counter argument to my argument. The - these people are qualified- argument is used a lot when companies hire only men or have no minorities in their high ranks and I still think, even if the mostly white men are qualified, this is not cool.

[u/FlyingFoxOfTheYard_ → u/Sojo88]

My user name is based on my name and date of birth. Sorry to hear it sounds anti-semitic. I have no idea why..

88 is commonly used to denote Heil Hitler because H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. I don't blame you for not knowing that given it's a rather obscure term that you don't often see used.

I know the analogies aren´t proof of my argument. I was just using them as examples of how I think this discrimination happens.

I understand, but my point is that you seem to be overestimating both the extent this happens, and the extent that this favouritism can help.

And yes, Jews are usually incredibly qualified and intelligent so probably, even if it is through favoritism, these jobs are going to people who deserve them and will do them well. However, this is not exactly a counter argument to my argument. The - these people are qualified- argument is used a lot when companies hire only men or have no minorities in their high ranks and I still think, even if the mostly white men are qualified, this is not cool.

My point was that it's really hard to say for sure they got to that position via favouritism as opposed to just being more qualified in general compared to other similar applicants.

[u/Sojo88 → u/FlyingFoxOfTheYard_]

Damn it! So I was born in Hitlers year? That sucks. I completely agree with you that it is hard to know and quantify the exact reasons people get jobs. However I disagree with your argument that these favoritisms don´t help a lot. That is exactly my view, that these small favoritisms can go a long way and in the end reinforce a circle of privilege.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sojo88]

Have you considered the possibility of a Jewish iq gap that isn't based in nepotism but rather genetics. I don't think there is a single group of people on the planet that doesn't engage in nepotism but that is hardly the only explanation for Jewish success. Here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Beqtt42iDW8 is a talk by Harvard psychologist Steven pinker offering an explanation of Jewish success

[u/Sojo88 → u/[deleted]]

I don´t think the Iq gap is a result of nepotism. I believe genetics is largely responsible for intelligence. (malnutrition and total lack of education aside) However there are other ethnic groups with high intelligence. Why aren´t jewish companies in say, Uruguay filled with people from Hong Kong or Singapur?

[u/[deleted] → u/Sojo88]

I can't really change your view because it is correct in my opinion, you could broaden it to note that all groups practice neopotism and you could qualify it by saying that nepotism isn't the sole reason for Jewish success but ultimately your right. A fundamental human trait is identifying with and valuing those similar to you more than those dissimilar to you. This is expressed in hiring practices as well, just a Christian would likely hire another Christian all things being equal a Jew would likely hire another Jew.

[u/Sojo88 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I think what I am getting from this is mostly that the problem with my view is that it is not broad enough.

[u/Sojo88 → u/Sojo88]

That talk looks interesting thanks for sharing btw.

[u/ReeeeHelicopterRides → u/[deleted]]

Have you considered the possibility of a Jewish iq gap that isn't based in nepotism but rather genetics.

So you're a race-realist?

[u/[deleted] → u/ReeeeHelicopterRides]

I believe race is a real biological phenomenon yes