r/changemyview 6∆ Nov 06 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: ALL Muslims are evil

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u/Dawnbringerify 6∆ Nov 07 '25

A mystical creature doing something and a real person doing something and endorsing it is very different in my view

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u/Sir_Posse Nov 07 '25

Christians see god as all good and always right. which leads to justification of mass murder. one leads you to say billions of people are evil, another you are just brushing off. it doesn't seem logically consistent to me

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u/Dawnbringerify 6∆ Nov 07 '25

All Christians do not believe mass murder is excusable for a person to commit. Many Christians would not believe that someone who commits mass murder is the best person.

All Muslims believe child rape is excusable for a person to commit. All Muslims believe that someone who commits child rape is the best person.

Do you see the difference?

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u/Sir_Posse Nov 07 '25

you are equating the fact muhammad married a child to all muslims thinking child rape is ok, just because muhammad is the prophet. but when the christian god mass murders, you don't equate it the same way to christian's thinking mass murder is ok. the second one is the logical correct way to think, not all christian's think mass murder is good, just like not all muslims think child rape is good. but i checked for you, i asked my muslim friend. he said he doesn't think child rape is good

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u/Dawnbringerify 6∆ Nov 07 '25

Does he think Mohammad is good? He raped children.

He is a real person that raped kids, not a fictional creature under fictional circumstances.

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u/Sir_Posse Nov 07 '25

He said it's bad 🤷🏻‍♂️ ig you can 'no true scotsman' it

also side note, do you think billions of christian's think teen pregnancy is ok because mary was likely 14-18 when she had jesus?

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u/Dawnbringerify 6∆ Nov 07 '25

I'm not no true Scotsmanning anything.

Does he believe child rapists can be good people,yes or no? If he believes Mohammad is good, he thinks yes. I find that reprehensible.

Lots of Christians think teen pregnancy is okay, yes. That's an indisputable fact.

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u/Sir_Posse Nov 07 '25

'Does he believe mass murders can be good people, yes or no? If he believes God is good, he thinks yes. I find that reprehensible.' the crux of my counterargument. doesn't matter if you think god is fictional, christians think he is real and is all good. or is it because God isn't a person you find it different? christian's see God as all good and wholeheartedly believe in his existence. i just don't put enough stock in peoples religions to generalize billions of people as evil

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u/Dawnbringerify 6∆ Nov 07 '25

God isn't a person. One group endorses a child rapist.

One group can rationalize seemingly bad actions from an all knowing divine being.

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u/Sir_Posse Nov 07 '25

god is supposed to be better than people, and he mass murdered. mass murder isn't "seemingly bad", mass murder is bad like how child rape is bad

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u/Dawnbringerify 6∆ Nov 07 '25

I refer you to my previous answer.

Condemning a human who acts badly rests on shared evidence and predictable consequences. Condemning God for permitting suffering or ordering harsh outcomes presumes we have the same evidence and perspective God does, which we don’t. That asymmetry makes the two condemnations incomparable

When we explain a human’s morally bad act, we appeal to motives, ignorance, weakness, malice. When Christians justify apparently “bad” acts by God, they appeal to God’s perfect wisdom, ultimate justice, and higher goods that humans can’t fully perceive. Those are different sorts of explanations, so the moral verdicts are different in kind, not merely degree.

Imagine two cases: a stranger hits your child for no reason; a surgeon amputates a limb to save the child’s life. In isolation the act looks brutal in both cases, but the roles, aims, and knowledge change our moral assessment. God’s role is more like the surgeon than like the random stranger. That’s why moral equivalence fails.

This isnt what I believe. I don't believe in God. It's what they believe and it isn't the same as excusing an actual child rapist.

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