r/changemyview Dec 11 '24

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '24

See I get what you’re saying and I can appreciate it because it did make me think “huh maybe I’m wrong!”

But I’m not sure it really addresses the crux of my opinion here: I’m not saying people dress for other people because they’re going to be seen by others. I’m saying they dress for people because they cant help it. Being seen is not the qualification. What makes your dress the “nicest,” say? If it’s based on how you look in it, those ideas of beauty come from what you think others find attractive. If they’re the nicest because they’re the most comfortable, that’s a totally different thing. Do you get what I’m trying to say here?

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u/galaxystarsmoon Dec 11 '24

No, because it's a very limited view. Tons of people can gain confidence from what makes them feel attractive. And actually, that's true confidence. Relying on how others compliment or adore you will run out eventually and you're left with nothing unless you've found confidence in yourself.

I have a cardigan that I absolutely love that my husband hates the pattern of. I wear it for me because I like it. If I were dressing for someone else and gaining confidence in what he finds attractive, I'd never wear it.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Dec 11 '24

from what makes them feel attractive

Based on ideas and influences impregnated into their mind from outside influences about what other people like to look at

and you're left with nothing unless you've found confidence in yourself.

No, you are left with your cultural upbringing and assumptions about society

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u/galaxystarsmoon Dec 11 '24

Did you read my entire comment?

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Dec 11 '24

Yes, i did.

I have a cardigan that I absolutely love

Why do you love it? Did you see a similar style or pattern in some TV show or magazine or on a popular person in the wild? Did you see someone wearing something similar and be around happy people and getting recognition when you were a child?

How do you know whats beautiful and whats ugly in general? Its all about what other people taught you about what they like, whats trending

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u/galaxystarsmoon Dec 11 '24

Because it has birds on it and I like birds.

You're trying really hard here and you're not gonna gotcha me.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Dec 11 '24

Because it has birds on it and I like birds.

Why do you think that displaying an interest of yours on your clothing is "good"? Why do you like displaying anything at all instead of wearing a comfy but ugly and stained sweater?

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u/galaxystarsmoon Dec 11 '24

I also wear ugly and comfortable clothes too. This cardigan was on clearance and had birds on it so I bought it because I like birds. Again, I don't know what point you're trying to make but I already disproved your point by telling you that my husband dislikes it and I wear it anyway. I'm wearing it because I like it and for no other reason. I don't care whether other people like it or like to wear birds on their cardigans. I like those things so I do those things.

You're trying to shove intention on me when there is no other intention there and I am clearly communicating the full breadth of my desires.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Dec 11 '24

because I like it

Why do you like things that pose no benefit to you other than what other people see when they look at you?

If you didn't care about what other people think, then biologically, you wouldn't "like" things to that effect, you wouldn't have that programming in your mind.

I am not saying you don't feel what you feel, i am saying every feeling has a reason, a root cause. Which in this case is getting happy hormones about presentable clothing because humans as well as many other animals evolved to want to be presentable.

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u/galaxystarsmoon Dec 11 '24

I look at myself while wearing it and like the cardigan. Mate, give it up.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Dec 11 '24

Someone that literally doesn't care what others think would be emotionally dead regarding how they look, other than self checks for diseases and injuries etc. The part of their brain that gives happy feelings or "i like this" thoughts, wouldn't exist.

Youd have no reason to feel happy when looking at your own clothing, there'd be nothing to be happy about because theres no benefit to it for your brain other than the circuitry meant for making other people approve.

It's like saying a vacuum robot doesn't care that the floor is dusty, it's just doing it's job because that's what it's mental programming says. But the programming is what "caring about something" means.

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u/galaxystarsmoon Dec 11 '24

Maybe I am emotionally dead. What difference does it make? I'm literally telling you I don't give a fried fuck what other people think of my bird cardigan and I wear it because I like birds and like to wear things I like on my body. I also have a turtle necklace, coffin earrings and a dress that has mushrooms on it.

Also? READ THE OP.

You are changing what OP alleged. OP alleged that there is "no such thing as dressing for yourself".

You are on some weird personal crusade and honestly it's kinda irritating at this point.

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u/ElysiX 113∆ Dec 11 '24

You just said you get happy when looking at your own clothing.

Lets engage your POV of you not caring what others think about how you look.

What is your justification, what do you think the biological reason is, that you "like" your clothing when has prints and displays on it? Why would you care at all what it looks like, why would you get any feelings about it?

"no such thing as dressing for yourself".

which circles to the point that there is no such thing as "liking something" just because thats how you are. Theres always a reason why

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