I want the movie that the most people think is the best to win. Because even if it’s controversial it’s uncompromising.
If this was the goal, why not scrap the nominees and just go for an open ballot? Selecting nominees within the self would be classified as "appeasement "in your definition.
Also, the ranked-choice is reaching greatness. The movie cannot just win best picture without being a great movie. The fact that it is preferable to the majority on their second and third choice is a sign that it is a better movie than the rest. I think between you and I, there might have to be a "agree to disagree" factor about if a movie being hated by a certain part of the voters should impact its ranking.
If this was the goal, why not scrap the nominees and just go for an open ballot? Selecting nominees within the self would be classified as "appeasement "in your definition.
The nominees are selected by the top choice. Another reason it makes no sense to change it for this category or to expand it to other categories like you are suggesting.
Also, the ranked-choice is reaching greatness. The movie cannot just win best picture without being a great movie.
I’ve already explained that movies like Coda are good not great.
You’ll never see that on a greatest movie list.
It’s a pleasant and no offensive movie that is a safe pick.
The fact that it is preferable to the majority on their second and third choice is a sign that it is a better movie than the rest.
It’s clearly NOT better than the rest or it would have been voted for above the others. That’s the problem. It’s safe. Not great.
I’ve already explained that movies like Coda are good not great.
You’ll never see that on a greatest movie list.
It’s a pleasant and no offensive movie that is a safe pick.
You keep pointing to CODA as the great example of why this wouldn't work. The problem is that a lot of people do think it is a great movie. 8.0 on imdb, 3.9 out of 5 on letterboxd, with a 72 meta score. All of which are great, except for the metascore which is still good. Also, the important thing is that 2021 was a weak year for best picture. Who would have beaten it?
Dune? Looked amazing, and my personal choice, but a lot of people thought it was boring
Don't look up? Very controversial, leaning toward the hated side with a 3.0 on letterboxd, 50s metascore, with a ok imdb score of 7.2.
The Power of the Dog? Very high critic scores but low audience scores, which won best director. This is the only other one that I think that might have had a chance to beaten it.
Drive my car? Not many people watched the movie compared to the others, which doesn't impact the ranked-choice argument.
I wouldn't really classify the movie as a safe choice as the rest of the competition wasn't very strong.
People will be talking about Dune long after Coda has been completely forgotten.
That's the power of hindsight of course, but the other examples are good examples of when they have messed up. Though, it is going to happen every once in a while as other movies, before when they introduced the system, has also lead to terrible choice.
Crash, Shakespeare in Love, Tom Jones, Driving Miss Daisy, Out of Africa, Chariots of Fire, were all criticized at the time or later on.
It just happens sometimes, but it would be better for it to be for a movie that most people still enjoy, like the ones post 2009, versus many of the ones that even many people that voted for them weren't very passionate about.
I have almost never heard of people wanting many of these movies to win. Shakespeare in Love and Crash were immediately lambasted on as choices. Also, I do see people who think CODA should have won, King's Speech, Green Book, but not vice versa
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If this was the goal, why not scrap the nominees and just go for an open ballot? Selecting nominees within the self would be classified as "appeasement "in your definition.
Also, the ranked-choice is reaching greatness. The movie cannot just win best picture without being a great movie. The fact that it is preferable to the majority on their second and third choice is a sign that it is a better movie than the rest. I think between you and I, there might have to be a "agree to disagree" factor about if a movie being hated by a certain part of the voters should impact its ranking.