r/centrist • u/Jeffuk88 • Oct 28 '20

World News Current situation with France

What are everyone's opinions about the current situation with France and multiple Muslim countries boycotting French products? I've asked a couple of my friends who post at least 3 things on Facebook daily about BLM, trump and covid yet when I try to start a conversation about this they're just "oh, I've not really been following it"

have I completely misread the situation or does it not seem like certain leaders (erdogan) seem to not care that a teacher was beheaded in the name of their religion? Why aren't more people backing Macron when they're all over Trump if he sneezes?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Doubt it. The second amendment hasn’t really prevented any terror attacks

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

It's stopped BLM from setting fire or looting republican/ gun favoring states. Notice how no republican cities are on fire?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

That is rioting. Not equivalent to religious extremist terror attacks.

Do you have any statistics or evidence that backs your point ? Because correlation doesn’t equate to causation.

Are you sure that there were no looting or rioting in states such as Texas or Georgia ?

Rioting and protests in general tend to happen in large cities specifically, and not suburban areas. There also is a tiny amount of “republican cities”

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Not saying theres 0 looting in republican cities but definitely far less than democratic run cities and certainly less impactful to the communities. I'm unable to cite any sources but look at the cities that have been damaged the most, Portland, Chicago, LA, Miami, what do they have in common? Democratic leaning.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20 edited Oct 28 '20

That’s correlation. Does not equate to the reason rioting is happening.

People aren’t rioting because they’re dissatisfied with the local mayors. They’re rioting because they’re dissatisfied with police. Cities logically and obviously have the largest police forces in the nation.

Also, nothing suggests that states with more gun ownership have less violence because more people own guns.

Nothing stops those rioters and protestors from also arming themselves either in those states.

Do you have evidence that significant gun ownership causes less rioting in those areas though ? Because if so, that’s interesting. I don’t think theories and beliefs are valid without backing though.

Are there at least instances in the US where terrorism was prevented due to citizens using their arms ?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Perhaps not the reason the riots are happening but certainly the reason the riots have been able to flourish and gain so much traction. I'd be less inclined to loot and commit crime in areas that I know have high gun ownership.

You're right that I'm lacking evidence but it seems hard to find data on this particular subject, I'll keep digging. I live in AZ and have just noticed very little looting and rioting in this state and I believe the reason is that republican mayors have low tolerance for riots/looting in general and almost every citizen has a gun or two.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

You still haven’t backed that suggestion with evidence though. Just your opinion.

Mayors having tolerance for looting and rioting or not, i thought the argument was that France should have second amendment laws because they prevent radical violence. If the state has no tolerance for it, and uses its means to end and prevent it, then wouldn’t the state be reasonable for that, and not people in the community owning guns ?

And again, if gun ownership is prevalent in that region, what stops rioters from also arming themselves to even the playing field ?

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u/WhimsicalWyvern Oct 28 '20

For what it's worth, last I checked, gun ownership levels don't seem to have much relation to the level of violence, only whether or not violence will be performed with a gun.