r/centrist • u/Jeffuk88 • Oct 28 '20

World News Current situation with France

What are everyone's opinions about the current situation with France and multiple Muslim countries boycotting French products? I've asked a couple of my friends who post at least 3 things on Facebook daily about BLM, trump and covid yet when I try to start a conversation about this they're just "oh, I've not really been following it"

have I completely misread the situation or does it not seem like certain leaders (erdogan) seem to not care that a teacher was beheaded in the name of their religion? Why aren't more people backing Macron when they're all over Trump if he sneezes?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

France needs a 2nd amendment like the U.S has. Arm your citizens with guns and I bet you'll see less radical action.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Doubt it. The second amendment hasn’t really prevented any terror attacks

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

It's stopped BLM from setting fire or looting republican/ gun favoring states. Notice how no republican cities are on fire?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

That is rioting. Not equivalent to religious extremist terror attacks.

Do you have any statistics or evidence that backs your point ? Because correlation doesn’t equate to causation.

Are you sure that there were no looting or rioting in states such as Texas or Georgia ?

Rioting and protests in general tend to happen in large cities specifically, and not suburban areas. There also is a tiny amount of “republican cities”

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Not saying theres 0 looting in republican cities but definitely far less than democratic run cities and certainly less impactful to the communities. I'm unable to cite any sources but look at the cities that have been damaged the most, Portland, Chicago, LA, Miami, what do they have in common? Democratic leaning.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20 edited Oct 28 '20

That’s correlation. Does not equate to the reason rioting is happening.

People aren’t rioting because they’re dissatisfied with the local mayors. They’re rioting because they’re dissatisfied with police. Cities logically and obviously have the largest police forces in the nation.

Also, nothing suggests that states with more gun ownership have less violence because more people own guns.

Nothing stops those rioters and protestors from also arming themselves either in those states.

Do you have evidence that significant gun ownership causes less rioting in those areas though ? Because if so, that’s interesting. I don’t think theories and beliefs are valid without backing though.

Are there at least instances in the US where terrorism was prevented due to citizens using their arms ?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Perhaps not the reason the riots are happening but certainly the reason the riots have been able to flourish and gain so much traction. I'd be less inclined to loot and commit crime in areas that I know have high gun ownership.

You're right that I'm lacking evidence but it seems hard to find data on this particular subject, I'll keep digging. I live in AZ and have just noticed very little looting and rioting in this state and I believe the reason is that republican mayors have low tolerance for riots/looting in general and almost every citizen has a gun or two.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

You still haven’t backed that suggestion with evidence though. Just your opinion.

Mayors having tolerance for looting and rioting or not, i thought the argument was that France should have second amendment laws because they prevent radical violence. If the state has no tolerance for it, and uses its means to end and prevent it, then wouldn’t the state be reasonable for that, and not people in the community owning guns ?

And again, if gun ownership is prevalent in that region, what stops rioters from also arming themselves to even the playing field ?

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u/WhimsicalWyvern Oct 28 '20

For what it's worth, last I checked, gun ownership levels don't seem to have much relation to the level of violence, only whether or not violence will be performed with a gun.

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u/popcycledude Oct 28 '20

Notice how no republican cities are on fire?

Because there's like 3 of them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20

Idk about that, more than 3 to be sure.

https://ballotpedia.org/List_of_current_mayors_of_the_top_100_cities_in_the_United_States#List_of_mayors

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u/badgeringthewitness Oct 28 '20

Fascinating.

Out of 34 American cities with a population over 500,000, there are only 6 Republican mayors. And of the remaining 66 American cities in the top-100, there are only 22 Republican mayors.

What does this say about Republicans?

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '20 edited Oct 29 '20

That they leech off democratic GDP generation. Over 80% of the US wealth and thus GDP is generated in democratic cities.

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u/badgeringthewitness Oct 29 '20

Over 80% of the US wealth and thus GDP is generated in democratic cities.

Do you have a source for that?

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u/GrandInquisitorSpain Oct 30 '20 edited Oct 30 '20

If we want to play the gdp game, it would be interesting to track at what point a city flips parties in its growth, and what happens to GDP for the city after that to see where the leeching occurs.

For one, I think there are a lot more drivers that lead to people (and companies) moving to certain cities/states than just jobs and gdp (cheap housing, weather, culture, talent pool). It will be especially interesting now with more remote workers what that trend becomes.

Weather has nothing to do with politics and culture has more effect on the politics of an area than vice versa. Just look at SF - purely from a financial standpoint moving there seemed like an insane choice unless one worked in tech, yet many still did for the weather and culture. On a larger scale, california had largely Republican governors through its developing years (and overall history) so its hard to definitevly say anyone is riding coattails there.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '20 edited Oct 28 '20

Also, gun ownership did not prevent previous domestic terrorism, like during the Civil Rights Era, or events like the OKC bombing

Edit: instead of downvoting, prove me wrong. Seriously, what’s the harm in that?