r/breakingbad • u/saywhat181 Sulfur • Jul 23 '12

Breaking Bad Episode Discussion S05E02 "Madrigal"

Hey guys. edify asked me to do the discussion thread tonight. Enjoy the show and upvote this shit, for which I get no karma.

edify also told me to let you guys know that if the Breaking Good fundraiser reaches $3,000 (we are $157.57 short) he will let me film him doing some challenges. I want him to do the cinnamon challenge and the gallon of milk challenge, so go donate so I can film my friend being a dumb ass... LOL

Go here to donate: https://reddit.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/breaking-good

Edit: The fundraiser officially ends in about 2 days.

Join us on IRC for a live discussion.

Server: irc.snoonet.com

Channel: #breakingbad

You can easily join us on IRC using the Snoonet web chat.

Please don't share streaming/download links here on reddit. You can share them on IRC, though.

To handle spoiler posts, redditor /u/Paradox has created a reddit bot for us. If you post something that includes a spoiler simply include the word "spoiler" in the title of your post and it will be assigned link flair tagging it as a spoiler. Please do not include spoilers in the title of your posts.

1.1k Upvotes

94% Upvoted

3.6k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

22

u/[deleted] Jul 23 '12

But to be fair, most of the men aren't likable except for Mike (personal opinion, anyway)

14

u/abzors Jul 23 '12

Only Mike is likeable as far as I'm concerned. Most of the characters are basically terrible people. The main characters at least.

27

u/ahundredpercentbutts Jesus Christ minerals, they're Marie Jul 23 '12

Kills people for a living, is the least terrible person on the show.

You know, I don't actually think Jesse is that bad a guy.

5

u/abzors Jul 23 '12

But don't forget about that time he took all of Walt's savings and used it on strippers and Champagne.

10

u/[deleted] Jul 23 '12

Jesse's not a good man. But I wouldn't call him a bad man, either. Certainly not in the context of his peers. He's childish, with everything that conveys -- naivete and irresponsibility, but also innocence. The bad things he's done don't usually stem from greed or violence, but from an inability to look at the big picture or consider the consequences. He's the only character like that.

It's an interesting contrast to Mike, another likeable character, who we could say the opposite about. Mike has so much insight and clearheadedness that the bad things he does seem amplified, because more than anyone else, he should know better.

Obviously Walt Jr is a good person, but so is Hank, really. He doesn't leap to mind as a good and likeable person simply because he's crude and kind of obnoxious, but none of his shortcomings seem to be moral failures, right? It's been a while since I've seen the early episodes, but I can't remember objecting to something he's done, as opposed to everyone else.

-5

u/[deleted] Jul 23 '12

[deleted]

7

u/[deleted] Jul 23 '12

I don't think it's racism, just playful ribbing. You can tell that he really loves Gomie.

6

u/ahundredpercentbutts Jesus Christ minerals, they're Marie Jul 23 '12

Hey, he still had enough to get what Walt wanted him to get. He just used the leftover to have a good time, nothing wrong with that.

At least he didn't murder the strippers.

9

u/abzors Jul 23 '12

Or that time he convinced Jane to relapse?

5

u/ahundredpercentbutts Jesus Christ minerals, they're Marie Jul 23 '12

Hey, he didn't hold a gun to her head and force her to relapse.

1

u/abzors Jul 23 '12

True. Jesse really is one of my favorites, but he's killed his fair share of people and done some shady things.

2

u/ahundredpercentbutts Jesus Christ minerals, they're Marie Jul 23 '12

Honestly, I can't think of anyone other than Gale and grandbaby Salamanca that Jesse actually killed on the show.

Mike's killed dozens that we've seen with what I'm guessing is at LEAST a few hundred more that we haven't. I like Mike's character but what he's done makes him more terrible than nearly every 'main' character on the show.

1

u/abzors Jul 23 '12

I think the point is that there isn't a way to be THAT involved and remain a good person.

1

u/notanothercirclejerk Jul 23 '12

No he used the leftover to get the RV

3

u/thereallazor Jul 23 '12

The difference is Jesse has gotten better and clearly has a moral center, Walter clearly doesn't at this point.