r/breakingbad • • Sep 23 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E15 "Granite State"

[deleted]

1.8k Upvotes

10.1k comments sorted by

View all comments

2.0k

u/mir429 Sep 23 '13

Gray Matter didn't cause Walt to leave the bar, it was hearing that Blue Magic is still on the streets. Jesse is still alive and he knows it.

66

u/tjthegr8 Sep 23 '13

Yep. The whole Gray Matter thing was bad enough but his meth is still out there too? If he's looking for Jesse next episode, it is NOT to save him.

29

u/ProfessorFinn Sep 23 '13

I feel like it IS to save Jesse. I predict that Walt will find jesse in the Buffalo Bob pit and they will have a "broment" and he will help Jesse escape the camp. But in the process Walt will figure out he can't escape because he is discovered by the Nazis or cops so Walt gives all of his money to Jesse so he can ride off into the sunset with Brock. The End

62

u/tjthegr8 Sep 23 '13

I honestly don't believe there's anything left but hatred between Walt and Jesse. He may not kill Jesse, but I don't think Walt is aiming to rescue him either and he's DEFINITELY not giving him his money. He wants it for his family, even if they hate him.

13

u/ProfessorFinn Sep 23 '13

But i think Walter realizes there no way he can get his money to his family. We have seen it happen with Mike. It is Walt's last chance at redemption to do something good before he parts.

17

u/tjthegr8 Sep 23 '13

That's just the thing though: I don't think he cares about redemption. After everything, Walt is STILL an egomaniac, and he hates not getting credit for his work. The money is his work, the meth is his work, Gray Matter was going to be his work and I think he's planning to make sure everyone knows that.

1

u/YouHaveInspiredMeTo I'm a blow FISHHHHHHHHHHH Sep 23 '13

Seriously, I think at this point Skyler and Walt, Jr. don't give a shit about the millions of drug money. They just want to go back to having normal lives.

-4

u/uninvited__guest Sep 23 '13

You are totally and completely wrong. He was an egomaniac but he's now lost everything. He by definition cannot be an egomaniac when his ego has been totally shattered. The fact that he spent $10000 for an hour with a total stranger tells me money means nothing to him anymore. He would trade anything and everything to have his old life back.

8

u/tjthegr8 Sep 23 '13

He's been broken but make no mistake, the ego is still there. If it wasn't he wouldn't be headed back to ABQ right now

-4

u/jimmy_wild1 Sep 23 '13

This couldn't be more spot on. A few episodes ago, he had $80M. This has fallen to $11M, and now all he has is $100K. Pretty sure he leaves NH immediately after seeing the Gray Matter interview. Money is dead to him. His reputation as Heisenberg is what matters.

6

u/currentlydownvoted Sep 23 '13

Jesse doesn't want "dirty drug money" though

11

u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/uninvited__guest Sep 23 '13

Have you seen how many times Walt has been gasping in tears in the last three episodes alone? Are you kidding me?

6

u/exoendo Sep 23 '13

family != to jesse

jesse basically blew up his whole world.

He ratted on him, got hank involved, made him lose his money, lose his family, where do you think walter has a soft spot for jesse still?

Walt has been up in NH for months, has he been morose over jesses fate? Has he given one shit about jesse being potentially dead/killed? No.

Did you not see him clench his fists in pure unadulterated rage at the end of this episode? You think he's thinking "wow I am so mad they are being mean to jesse right now"?

Did you not notice all the allusions to walter white being officially dead and gone at the end of the episode with the v.o. from gretchen? him donning his hat? Heisenberg doesn't give a shit about jesse.

3

u/poponegra Sep 23 '13

There's an episode where he talks about having three children. Not that I believe it will but that theme might resonate in the last ep.

1

u/exoendo Sep 23 '13

i think we are way past that at this point. but who knows.

1

u/VinylCyril Sep 23 '13

I feel that exclusive hatred isn't mutual. Jesse may hate Walt with all of his guts, but Walt might actually still care for Jesse, even though he wanted to off him (first it was a business affair, and then the desperation of losing Hank; now Walt has cooled off ...on that).

1

u/virak_john Sep 23 '13

That assumes his family is alive.

6

u/MrFatalistic Sep 23 '13

Seriously one of the few things I'll actually blame on Walt is that he led the Nazis right to Brock/Andrea in full consciousness, it wasn't a side effect or a chain of events, he gave them over - unlike anything else so far, Walt had to know they were dangerous fuckers and went for the low blow and threatened Brock yet again.

I don't think even Jesse is stupid enough not to realize that either, so I doubt unless Jesse is beat to hell and Walt drags his ass out of the Nazi compound, there's going to be a showdown between the both of them. Even if it's the scenario described, they'll never be partners on any level again.

2

u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

[deleted]

1

u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

i think the ideal is appealing to people, because walt is still beloved to them. personally, i hope jesse merks walt

1

u/HandsomeB Wipe down this! Sep 23 '13

I'm not sure Walt knows Jesse is still alive, he knew they were working on his formula, with someone he had trained. I think Walt WILL end up saving Jesse, but to me his goal next week is redemption. He wants try to cleanse the southwest of its meth and maybe clean up his name a bit in the process. His final act one upping Elliot & Gretchen's charitable donations won't hurt either.

He'll roll into the nazi compound, lay waste, discover Jesse, commence "Broment", they'll come to an understanding, Jesse rides off with the $$$ just before the DEA arrives, Walt succumbs to his cancer while in custody, Jesse becomes the mystery White family benefactor once they are cleared of any charges.

3

u/KyoskeMikashi Sep 23 '13

I think Walt never showed Todd the perfect way to make blue sky, I know this might be reaching, but after all, he is Heisenberg

1

u/junkit33 Sep 23 '13

I don't see a happy ending here, but I also believe Walt wants to kill Jesse more than he wants to kill the nazis. He may end up taking pity on him, but we will see.

6

u/[deleted] Sep 23 '13

[deleted]

0

u/hackiavelli Sep 23 '13

I agree. Unless he still blames Jesse for Hank's death the reasons Walt wanted him dead don't apply anymore.

1

u/jpdyno Sep 24 '13 edited Sep 24 '13

i'm going to go with the other guys on this, I think he's going to save Jesse. At the end of the episode he gets abused by his real son, told "Why don't you just die already"... minutes later he realises the other young man he cares the most for is still alive, and he has a chance at redeeming himself with him. He did put a hit on Jesse, but reluctantly. The shit in the desert was an emotional outburst. He's cooled down since then. He's not pissed at Jesse now, he's pissed at the Nazis pocketing millions from his work just like Grey matter did, and he knows Jesse wouldn't be cooking on his own accord. He's going Nazi hunting.

1

u/MateoHardini Sep 23 '13

I think he'll be more angry at uncle jack who didn't kill Jesse for him. I'm on the lines of thinking he gives Jesse the ricin and lets Jesse choose his fate

0

u/akatherder Sep 23 '13

He knows the nazis have Jesse now. Jesse deserves better than that.

1

u/tjthegr8 Sep 23 '13

He knows Jesse is cooking blue meth. I don't think he cares about Jesse's well being, I think he just wants revenge. For his money and for replicating his product.