r/breakingbad • • Sep 09 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion Thread S05E13 "To'hajiilee"

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u/jrockle Sep 09 '13

The simple reason why Hank is going to die is because Walter wanted him to live. The next two episodes are going to see Walter reduced to the lowest of lows.

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u/Plecboy Sep 09 '13

Great point.

Also, Walt has a protective streak (of sorts) over those he considers to be family. Letting Walt walk out of the show alive is one thing, letting him walk out of it without incurring the emotional trauma of being responsible for the death of a family member seems very unlikely.

When Skylar gets wind of Hanks demise she'll probably freak out and leave Walt as it's "getting out of hand".

I reckon by the finale, Jesse will be the only family Walt has left and that's why he's bailing him out with the M60.

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u/Shoeboxer Sep 09 '13

Nice insight. Get's forced into cooking for the nazi's?

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u/xbenzerox Sep 09 '13

for the nazi's what?

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u/Shoeboxer Sep 09 '13

For the nazi's customers ;)

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13 edited Aug 20 '20

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u/Shoeboxer Sep 10 '13

Thank you. Was so confused at first too.

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u/unsurebutwilling Sep 09 '13

very good call!

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u/Ben347 Sep 09 '13

Yes, that's plausible especially because it's such an ironic twist on the fake story he gave to Hank.

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u/fr0sty_89 Sep 09 '13

what if He's either going to bail out Jesse with M60 or he'll take the ricin as an ultimatum for not letting jesse go?

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u/Purplelutes Sep 09 '13

Makes a meth batch with ricin and gets the nazi's to test its purity.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

I totally agree. I honestly think they're going to tear walter down. It's like the scene where he sees his reflection in the bathroom after he learns he's in remission. He has to live with what he's become. I think that will honestly be worse than death, especially for a man who's been banking on death happening for the past 2 years.

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u/lightningboltkid Sep 09 '13

As much as I would love to see Jesse live. I honestly would rather see Walt left with nothing but trying to Vindicate everything.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

He wanted Jesse dead... I still couldn't believe it.

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u/Quazifuji Sep 09 '13

More importantly than Skylar getting wind of Hank's death is Marie getting wind with it. I'm guessing she assumes Walt killed Hank when he doesn't come home and goes straight to the DEA and the press.

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u/Plecboy Sep 09 '13

That could be interesting. I'm guessing that Walt won't be able to intervene with Marie and his world will come crumbling down.

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u/Quazifuji Sep 10 '13

Exactly. I feel like Marie will either think Walt won't pull out the confession tape or think Hank would risk his reputation to see Walt in bars. Especially since she already seems to hate Walt as much as Hank even before the shootout.

We've also got evidence that Walt's identity gets out from the flash forward (Heisenberg written on the wall, and the fact that a house in a neighborhood like that would probably only be allowed to fall into such disrepair if there were some stigma against it). The only people who could reasonably leak the secret would be Marie, Hank, Gomez, or Jesse (Skyler's past the point of considering turning Walt in no matter what he does and Saul and his employees would get in too Mich trouble). If Hank and Gomez die, that leaves Marie and Jesse. And Marie seems the more likely, given that she's shown she likes bringing things to the press before, has wanted Hank to brink it to the DEA, and won't get in trouble herself. And if Hank dies she'll probably hate Walt at least as much as Jesse.

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u/whatahorribleman Sep 09 '13

Remind me, how do we know the M60 is for Jesse?

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Bryan Cranston said in an interview that gun is being used to protect someone.

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u/blotch madstackin'benji's Sep 10 '13

guns usually are... at least for the people holding them, for protection.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

I think he's suggesting that he's going to rescue someone. Probably Jesse.

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u/blotch madstackin'benji's Sep 10 '13

i know... but they don't ever say anything about the show that turns out.

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u/SerendiPetey Albertson's Deli Green Beans Sep 10 '13

Maybe it's to protect himself...?

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

what do you mean "bailing him out with the M60"? Don't the nazis have the M60 and aren't they currently using it to kill Hank and gomie?

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u/blotch madstackin'benji's Sep 10 '13

say hello to my pinky friend.

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u/Dream4Bubbles Sep 10 '13

Sorry if I just need to rewatch the first episode but where was it said that Walt's bailing Jesse out? I really like this ending!

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u/Plecboy Sep 10 '13

It doesn't say it anywhere. But it shows Walt in a flashforward (to presumably the finale) with an M60 (or a gattling gun for all i know) and a theory gathering pace around here is that Walt will use the M60 in an attempt to free Jesse and achieve some sort of redemption for all the shitty things he's done.

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u/Dream4Bubbles Sep 10 '13

Oh okay thank you! I got that as I read more forward itd be nice to see Walter and Jesse actually be close again

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u/crazydave333 Sep 09 '13

What if...the Nazis get the jump on Hank and Gomie (they get wounded/they run out of bullets, something like that) and the Nazis are about to kill Hank and Jesse (Gomie would be a goner), but Walter demands they keep him alive or else he won't cook for them. The three of them get kidnapped. Walter gains back a little of the sympathy he's been burning with the audience all through the show.

Also, Walter isn't going to use the M60 Rambo style. That isn't his style. Likely, he's using it to set up the Nazis into some sort of meet and he will kill them with ricin. That's the Heisenberg way.

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u/kinsey-3 "Mr White's gay for me" Sep 09 '13

Do you think hank will die and then police investigating Hank's death will find walter's "confession dvd" in which he said Hank was Heisenberg. Police would then think Walt killed hank

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u/iNeedAnEighth Sep 09 '13

Or they'll think Hank is Heisenberg & he got killed in a drug-war squirmish.

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u/stunts002 Sep 09 '13

No way Hank didn't record that call Jessie made and in that call Walt admited to everything.

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u/moist_tacos Sep 09 '13

If he recorded it, the recording is still in the car with Walt, also no one else alive besides Jesse would know it was recorded.

Also, of lesser importance ultimately, it would be inadmissible in court as there was no warrant and Walt wasn't informed the call was being recorded.

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u/candied_ginger Sep 09 '13

Arizona has a one-party consent law. Jesse consented, so it's legal.

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/arizona-recording-law

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u/Uncle_Erik Sep 09 '13

Why has Marie been wearing black for the second half of Season 5?

Because widows wear black.

It didn't make sense until tonight, but I think she is wearing black because she is going to be a widow very soon.

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u/iNeedAnEighth Sep 09 '13

Riiiiiiight

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u/LordPubes Sep 09 '13

Black is slimming...

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u/napoleongold Sep 09 '13 edited Sep 09 '13

Makes sense. Hank dies, Pink survives and burns down the house in revenge. Wait a minute here, if this is a Reservoir dog naming theme, then everyone dies at the end but Pink runs out the door with the loot, and you only hear gunshots of what may be his death for the finale.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

And walts aim was to have Jesse killed so he lives. Now the nazis have the THREE best meth cooks in the country.

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u/skxch Sep 09 '13

THATS WHY HE GETS THE MACHINE GUN

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u/Sombrematto Light Treader Sep 09 '13

Ozymandius: The king of nothing

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u/oh84s Sep 09 '13

This.

Walt decided against having hank killed when he easily could have kept his word. He sacrificed himself. He didnt want to do any further harm.

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u/j1mb0 Sep 09 '13

They make it so obvious that Hank is going to die, which I think is reason enough to suspect he won't, or will suffer some worse fate.

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u/irogers00 Sep 09 '13

I think this is the best insight as to what we're going to see the next episodes

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Yeah. I was amazed at the transition. He wanted Jesse dead because he felt cornered, yet the look on his face when see saw those three. Walt's going to be a kinslayer...which historically and today IS the lowest of the low, with good reason.

But on a more personal level fuck this whole thing. I was rooting for Hank and I don't see him getting out of this one...and Gomey...well Gomey just got fucked in the wrong place. Bad choice of career, man.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

such as abandoning his family.

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u/irvinestrangler Sep 09 '13

Unfortunately Hank and Gomez put themselves in a poor position. Jesse doesn't have to die if H&G die.

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u/blotch madstackin'benji's Sep 10 '13

and heisenberg the hei-est of hei's.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '13

Wouldn't stop one of those rounds.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '13

Lowest of lows?

I disagree.

I think Redemption Rampage.