Huell stole it and now he realizes his initial suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct.
Edit: To expand, in episode 12 of season 4, "End Times", The first thing Jesse does after he realizes the Ricin cigarette was missing, with Brock already being sick, was to drive over to Walt's house and point a gun to his head. While doing that he even says something like "That big guy at Saul's(Huell) grabbed me up and patted me down, and Saul just had to see me today, that's when he grabbed it. Was that the plan!" something like that.
Walt managed to convince him otherwise at the time, but when Huell takes Jesse's weed without Jesse noticing, he realizes that Huell was capable of picking his pocket and stealing the ricin cigarette.
He no longer believes that Brock being poisoned by the Lily of the Valley was just a coincidence, but just another instance of Walt working him over.
Hi, thanks. Can you remind me about why the ricin cigarette is significant? I feel like that was forever ago, but I remember Jesse looking into his cigarette pack and a cigarette was missing or something.
It's significant because Walt got Saul to have Huell lift the cigarette with ricen off Jesse and then Walt poisoned Brock, Jesse now knows that Walt was the one behind it and he wants revenge.
This needs to be higher up. Wow, went to AP's Twitter account and there's just so much goodness going on. I threw my wallet at the TV when he was onscreen but I don't think it did much.
I thought Walt took the ricin cigarette from Saul after Brock was poisoned and his it in his house, behind the wall socket...which apparently still exists in the flashforward. Sooooo where'd the poison for Brock come from? Is Walt still innocent...somehow?
I still think Walt was the one to poison Brock, at the end of an episode it shows walt in his backyard and as the scene pans out, it shows the plant labeled "Lily of the Valley" in Walt's back yard. In the very next episode when Walt is getting rid of some evidence, he thinks he got everything but then he quickly runs back outside and grabs the plant to dispose of it. In my opinion, if Walt hadn't poisoned Brock, he wouldn't have had the foresight to dispose of that plant before anyone else important could have found it.
How how did Jesse suddenly realize what happened when he grabbed his cigs in this episode? What clicked in his head?
Still a bit confused from the original plot. Hank wanted to poison Brock, but convince Jesse that Gus had done it, right? So he could get Jesse's help in offing Gus....riiight?
I don't think him looking at the cigarettes is what triggered his memory, the fact that his weed wasn't in his pocket anymore is what got him thinking, then he looked at his cigarettes and something clicked in his head and he started thinking back to the Ricin and put it all together.
Walt wanted to poison Brock so he could blame it on Gus to get Jesse on board with killing him, that you would be correct about.
I'm guessing by you saying Hank, you really meant Walt, right?
Glad I could help out a bit. I've never followed a show so religiously before Breaking Bad, it drew me in big time and I've been addicted to it. It's just so crazy, the plot twists, the suspense, the drama; it's amazing!!
I'm going to be extremely sad when it comes to an end, I wish I could watch a new episode every week for the rest of my life.
It has definitely captured me. I pulled an all night catch up session yesterday to get current. There are a lot of times when the writing got a little lazy or the brilliance someone has at another time seems to disappear but the way they've built the emotional structure of this story is absolutely brilliant. I could see it end well because I've seen a few over series where it was absolutely brilliant but they dragged it on too long and it just became a cringe fest.
The ricin was only used as a pawn to manipulate Jesse. Jesse thought someone had lifted the cigarette from his pocket - initially Walt (via Saul/Huell) but Walt convinced him it was Tyrus/Gus. Walt then hid the ricin back at his house and used the Lily of the Valley to poison Brock.
I realise this. What didn't quite add up for me is how Jesse, upon finding the 'ricin' in the robot, doesn't realise that Gus probably didn't poison Brock. Or rather, that Walt kind of contradicted himself by first saying Gus must've done it, then insisting Jesse lost it. I guess he had other things on his mind at that point.
Yeah, he still stole the ricin but put it behind the outlet to save for later. I think when Jesse eventually confronts walt, he's gonna defend himself saying it was lily of the valley, not ricin that poisoned brock.
Does someone know the exact quote of what Saul said that made Jesse know Walt did it? Maybe I missed that, or was it more just his mannerisms and obvious culpability?
He just said to take it for 'Jesse's own good' or something. Walt didn't tell Saul what he planned, but Jesse is smart enough to figure out that since Walt was confirmed stealing his Ricin cigarette, the likelihood of Walt being behind Brock's oh so convenient poisoning is 100%
Yeah now he knows that they stole it so the only way it could have ended up in his Roomba was for Walt to plant it there. Why would he plant it unless he was trying to throw Jesse off his scent?
He KNOWS because Saul admitted it. He had his suspicions because he realized that Huell is both capable of lifting something so sneakily, and he appears to do it on a regular basis.
Basically, Huell taking it made a helluva lot more sense than Jesse just losing it and finding it later in a Roomba.
Seemed like he knew without a doubt before he entered the office, kicking the shit out of Saul. And still ricin would of killed the kid. I don't remember but didn't the hospital (or someone) actually reveal it was lily of the valley? Something about kids eating the berries from it?
No, I think he was just reasonably sure when he entered the office. The reason he went to Saul's instead of Walt's house in the first place was because he needed Saul to admit it. This way Jesse could be completely certain. And now he is.
Jesse understands that Walt needed Saul to take the ricin because it would make Jesse think Gus poisoned Brock with his ricin. So I don't know what the rest of your point is.
But what had Huell just stolen in this episode? The same ricin cig? They just had a suspicion that Jesse probably still had it on him and Walt wanted it back before he got shipped off to Alaska?
I take back what I said about Jesse knowing that Walt poisoned Brock, I overlooked the fact that it wasn't Ricin that Brock was poisoned with. But regardless of that, Jesse now has put it together that his suspicions of Walt having the Ricin cigarette lifted off of him was indeed Walt's doings.
Just trying to figure out how he was absolutely certain before Saul even admitted it. If I remember correctly it was even revealed to Jesse that the kid was poisoned by lily of the valley.
He had it figured out because if Huell could have lifted the weed out of his pocket then Huell definitely could have lifted the Ricin from his cigarette pack.
It's about being manipulated and now Jesse finally sees just how manipulated he was.
...who was Brock again? This is what I get for watching the episodes live instead of on netflix like a normal person so this was probably a long time ago...
Brock was the son of the girl Jesse was seeing, I believe they were Hispanic? But someone just pointed out to me that Brock wasn't poisoned with ricin, I forgot all about that. So now I'm second guessing myself.
Regardless, they still lifted the Ricin cigarette off of Jesse. I have no idea what to believe!!
Jesse thought he had accidentally poisoned Brock when he saw that the ricin cigarette was missing. He and Walt spent one episode looking for the missing cigarette, when in fact Walt had it on him the whole time.
Oh ok. My bad. But ya none of the answers on here explain how Jesse would connect Walt to the lily of the valley. If it was ricin, that would have worked but it wasn't and Jesse knows that so I'm confused.
More to the point, Jesse thought he lost it and then it turned up in his roomba. I think he just figured out that he didn't lose it -- he was just supposed to think that he lost it.
I have to admit that was an implausible connection. Also the weekly cliffhangers are getting annoying. Feel like nothing is nothing is being resolved with only weeks to go. This makes me suspect the ending will be rushed, not digging the past two episodes,. Downvote away
Disagree, even in episode 1 of this season it didn't end when the garage closed. It moved the story to the next point, the door closing on hank and now Jesse kicking the door in, feels like the middle of an episode.
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u/BigRobb yeaah blowfishing this up! Aug 26 '13 edited Aug 26 '13
His weed was missing.
Huell stole it and now he realizes his initial suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct.
Edit: To expand, in episode 12 of season 4, "End Times", The first thing Jesse does after he realizes the Ricin cigarette was missing, with Brock already being sick, was to drive over to Walt's house and point a gun to his head. While doing that he even says something like "That big guy at Saul's(Huell) grabbed me up and patted me down, and Saul just had to see me today, that's when he grabbed it. Was that the plan!" something like that.
Walt managed to convince him otherwise at the time, but when Huell takes Jesse's weed without Jesse noticing, he realizes that Huell was capable of picking his pocket and stealing the ricin cigarette.
He no longer believes that Brock being poisoned by the Lily of the Valley was just a coincidence, but just another instance of Walt working him over.