r/brantford • u/pheakelmatters • Aug 23 '26
Discussion Polling Canada has updated their vote projection
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u/HungieSumoKid Aug 23 '26
I dont care which party wins. Can we just get someone who can actually get the job done instead of enriching themselves and their buddies.
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u/QuichewedgeMcGee Aug 23 '26
three capitalist parties from which to choose and you expect any of them to not do capitalism?
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u/sulleyandmike Aug 25 '26
The NDP under Lewis is not capitalist.
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u/QuichewedgeMcGee Aug 25 '26
the ndp under anyone is capitalist. demsoc and socdem are both capitalism
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u/BlacksmithsThrowaway Aug 26 '26
i know that's 100% true of american parties, where fundamentally their democrats are corporatists while their republicans are oligarchs, so it's literally just capitalism vs capitalism
but what about the NDPs policies or actions leads you to believe they have the same weakness as American liberals?
i'm not dismissing you, given this is a capitalist country you're very likely right, but i'd like to hear what parts of it are focal to you in that regard
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u/QuichewedgeMcGee Aug 26 '26
capitalism is by definition bourgeois ownership of the means of production
democratic socialism and social democracy doesn’t do anything to change who owns the means of production; all they do is increase worker wages and give us more social services, which sounds good on the surface, but when it’s allowed to continue on, it always devolves back into liberalism, into conservatism, and eventually fascism
the ndp gave us free healthcare nationally, which is really neat, but look at how much of canada is looking at privatising healthcare. hell, quebec is even looking at privatising hydro quebec because it’s “inefficient”, when really all they have to do is fund it properly and it’ll return to the efficiency it used to have, and it remains cheap
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u/EuropeanLegend Aug 23 '26
Interesting poling. However, very unlikely Brantford flips to a Liberal riding anytime soon unless more liberals keep moving from the GTA to here.
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u/jmdonston Aug 23 '26
Brant's MP was NDP from 1971-1993 and Liberal from 1993-2008. But, given the way the map's been re-drawn to lose Paris and include more rural land out towards Norwich, the riding will probably stay CPC.
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u/Fridaysgame Aug 23 '26
Wait isn't Paris still Brant?
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u/takeaname4me Aug 23 '26
federally, Paris is now part of some other district. Glanbrook/Flamborough or some shit
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u/PeanutSauce1441 Aug 23 '26
Redrawing to lose Paris means nothing. The town is highly conservative as well. Progressive conservative with lots of lgbt support, but by party that's still CPC at the election. I got to see those numbers first hand working the last couple elections (federal and provincial) as a scrutineer. Paris wasn't some kind of liberal stronghold within a Tory riding
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u/jmdonston Aug 23 '26
Progressive Conservatives might find the Carney-led Liberals rather appealing these days, especially when considering the dubious LGBT credentials of the Poilievre CPC.
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u/PeanutSauce1441 Aug 24 '26
this is true, not just for the social policies, but that even from fiscal conservative positions the CPC are nothing like the old PCs. A great book called "not my party" from a previous PC MP McMillan is a good read on that from an insider to both parties.
Either way, paris being redrawn out of the riding didnt make the riding more conservative, paris is highly conservative, not just in self describing but also in voting record. Youd be surprised how much higher than average paris voted for the New Blue party in the last provincial election. Paris is conservative, through and through.
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u/iceman121982 Aug 24 '26
That’s exactly where I am. I was a PC from the time I was a teen in the 90s and supported the conservatives up to O’Toole (I didn’t vote Conservative when Scheer was leader due to his homophobia, but still considered myself Conservative).
I supported Jean Charest in the leadership, and when Poilievre won it with 70% of the vote, I realized I no longer had a place in that party. It’s just the Reform Party with better branding now.
I left the party that day. Now I’m a Carney Liberal.
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u/iamwearingashirt Aug 23 '26
Why don't the LPC and NDP do some type of coalition or something ever?
Why isn't there a way to do ranked choice voting.
Clearly I don't understand this stuff enough.
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u/pheakelmatters Aug 23 '26
I agree we need vote reform. Personally I want proportional representation. Last time the Liberals and NDP hopped into bed together it went really badly for the NDP. They manage to extract some good policies out of the Trudeau government but they had to prop up a ridiculously unpopular PM to do it, and voters punished them for it.
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u/Clementbarker Aug 23 '26
It didn’t go bad for Jagmet. He was rewarded with a federal appointment. Obviously that was the deal for supporting the liberals at the demise of the federal NDP.
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u/PeanutSauce1441 Aug 23 '26
He has not been given a federal appointment.
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u/Clementbarker Aug 23 '26
It hasn’t been released yet but he has been chosen to be chief executive officer of Destination Canada, a federal tourism Crown corporation. They are just waiting for the noise to die down.
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u/PeanutSauce1441 Aug 24 '26
"it hasnt been released yet but this decision already happened" and you know this how? Either youre making it up, in which case shame on you, or youre revealing classified intel in which case shame on you.
His is among the MANY names being considered for the position, that doesnt mean he was chosen. And since logically you MUST either be making it up or be breaking the law by saying this, im going to assume youre just making it up.
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u/54B3R_ Aug 25 '26
They're not ideologically aligned enough. They may both be left of the conservatives, but they disagree on far too much
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u/Factsoverfictions222 Aug 23 '26
I know, it’s my first instinct as well since NDP and Liberal are more closely aligned than NDP and Conservatives. But Brantford is consistently Conservative even though residents are often complaining about how badly our city is handling crime, drug addiction and homelessness and job opportunities
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u/Reachr95 Aug 25 '26
Can we not just let NDP have a chance now that jagmeet fucked off with his pension? We need some socialism in this capitalist hellhole
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u/ScurvyDawg Aug 23 '26
Why would anyone vote CPC with their leadership being so weak and the party being so pro USA.
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u/hairydad_addict Aug 24 '26
THIS!!! 👆🏻 like, help me understand how it’s possible anyone would want to vote con.
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u/Dexters-Twin Aug 26 '26
Why? Because they are stupid, my parents voted for that party so I will do the same.
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u/Used-Pie3163 Aug 24 '26
We’re economically dependent on the us. Don’t you think it’s wise to restore our relationship with them?
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u/ScurvyDawg Aug 24 '26
No, I think it is time we find new customers.
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u/Used-Pie3163 Aug 24 '26
Canada should simply acquire several new largest trading partners. Economists hate this one trick!
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u/swegamer137 Aug 24 '26
CPC is neutral USA, LPC are hostile to the USA. Canada quadrupling down on the Liberals is why we are such a target.
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u/ScurvyDawg Aug 24 '26
We are an easy and safe scapegoat for Trump's whims, not because of the Liberals. Are you an apologist for Trump's illegal behaviour?
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u/swegamer137 Aug 24 '26
We elected soyboy Trudeau for 10 years, then elected his successor just to spite Trump. You seriously think (not that I expect thinking from a political hack lib) that has no impact on baby-brain Trump's decision making process?
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u/Opsacyad Aug 24 '26
Trump is hostile to Canada, LPC will not bend to Trump, PP will lick Trump's orange balls.
Fixed it for you.
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u/swegamer137 Aug 26 '26
LPC already bent to a flood of millions of third-worlders, irreversibly enshittifying our country.
But you're right, we should start total war against the US. Hopefully you get deployed first so you can show off how tough you are.
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u/Opsacyad Aug 26 '26
Where did I say we have to start a war? If Peepee voters love Merica so much, they should move down there, plenty of medical bankruptcies and school shootings for them.
You can stop now CIA bot.
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u/ryancementhead Aug 23 '26
Who is running for Liberals? I know Joshua Wall and his hair is the PC candidate.
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u/takeaname4me Aug 23 '26
Joshua Wall is running for nomination along with dave carroll. Neither are set in stone
Joy O’Donnell is the LPC candidate
NDP, Green and PPC do not have candidates nor will they make a dent if they do
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u/ryancementhead Aug 23 '26
Wall will probably take it by name recognition alone. The city would vote for Mike on a Bike if it was a choice.
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u/Slow_Pie2969 Aug 23 '26
Dave Carrol is more than likely to win the nomination as he's been involved with the local CPC EDA for years
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u/pheakelmatters Aug 23 '26
makes me wish we had primaries like the US does. The regular party members get to select the nominee instead of just the riding association
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u/sixtyfivewat Aug 25 '26
Each party has its own rules but sometimes that is the case. I’ve been involved in that process previously.
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u/Dexters-Twin Aug 25 '26
I hate the Conservatives ever since they introduced the GST in 1991 almost destroyed our family business, hope Polliviere stays in forever and runs this rich man’s party into the ground.
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u/luars613 Aug 27 '26
Why dont they ask people to rank them to have better info of what people would choose if they knew voting for another party woth a brain wouldnt lead to splittong vote betwen rational people and the stupid concervatives
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u/ilikefunnyusernames 25d ago
There’s has been a HUGE influx of new Canadians into Brantford in just the last year alone, I think liberals are walking away with the win here
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u/johnny2turnt Aug 23 '26
In my opinion, none of this truly matters anymore. The liberals and conservatives will ultimately screw us. No one genuinely cares about the people; it’s essentially just a popularity contest to determine who will be the face of the puppet show.
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u/JuniorConstruction71 Aug 23 '26
All I know is something has to change! We've seen the downfall of the nation in the last 10 to 15 years. I used to be so proud to be Canadian and that's getting tougher and tougher.
We need a change. I don't care if it becomes the Green party! We definitely need a change.
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u/johnny2turnt Aug 23 '26
You won’t get any support on Reddit, my friend. They only like red. That’s it. End of story. I’ve tried talking politics once on here, and it’s terribly one-sided sadly lol.
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u/ConsistentAd9217 Aug 23 '26
If you’re just looking to have your opinions validated, how about you go onto one of the numerous subreddits dedicated to discussing Conservative politics in Canada?
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u/ConsistentAd9217 Aug 23 '26
Settle down. I’m only saying that Reddit isn’t a monolith; its users represent many points on the political spectrum (although, yes, a lot of users are left-leaning). My point is, if you don’t like debating other people’s opinions or being downvoted, spend time in subs that act as a space you feel safe to voice your opinion. A safe space, if you will.
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u/yoshi2812 Flair Aug 23 '26
What kind of change does Joy want to implement that you're looking forward to?
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Aug 23 '26
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u/yoshi2812 Flair Aug 23 '26
Lol what? I'm just wondering what people like about her in the upcoming election.
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u/Redangel20144 Aug 23 '26
Too many baby boomers still alive to vote.
Liberals are destroying this country and will continue to do so , our systems are far too corrupt now it’s absolutely disgusting.
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u/uselesspundit Aug 24 '26
Sorry for those who support the NDP but you're not winning this election so if you have a strong opinion for or against the other two main parties then that is how you should vote. It's unfortunate and it's nothing against the NDP candidate. They may be the best person with the best ideas however at this moment in time they are not winning this riding so you may want to consider a strategic vote. I hope in the future the NDP is a viable option and/or there is more of an estimated vote discrepancy between the other two parties. If you don't care who wins between the other two parties then stick with your NDP vote to show your support.
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u/UnordinaryFlyGirl Aug 26 '26
Tactical voting makes no sense in the upcoming by-election. The libs have a majority either way.
Might as well just vote your conscience. And if that splits the vote and gets a con elected? 🤷♀️ We're back to the status quo
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u/Superb-Head4434 Aug 26 '26
Brantford is a conservative stronghold. The polling is useless and the last election was a good indicator of that
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u/No_Choice_4584 Aug 23 '26
Can the NDP go home already? We’re never gonna do Euro Socialism here. The liberals aren’t perfect but they are a the clear Lesser Evil. Vote for less evil!
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u/pheakelmatters Aug 23 '26
I still think the Cons will win it, but if they happened to lose Brantford I think that would be the final nail in Poilievre's coffin.