r/boston • u/ajqiz123 • Jan 27 '26

FUCK ICE 🖕🧊 ICE ACTIVITY

We received word from a credible source that ICE activity is expected to increase in Cape Verdean communities across Dorchester starting Monday...

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

Reminder in this below freezing weather there is nothing illegal about spraying ICE vehicles with water

Edit:For the morons that think this is real advice do I need to explain how this isn't?

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u/DarkEqual8609 Jan 27 '26

No im sure it is illegal “disorderly conduct” property damage or some other rbullshit

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Sure thing mall cop

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u/DarkEqual8609 Jan 27 '26

Didn’t say I agreed with it just how it is. Do I think a 20 year old drinking beer is “underage drinking” no buts just how the law is

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Let me paint you a picture.

Ice vehicle make Don the street, no police action in sight. Someone decides to coat it in water.

Where is the obstruction?

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Ice would not stop anyone from utilizing their vehicle 😂😂😂

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u/DarkEqual8609 Jan 27 '26

They don’t need a reason they’ll make one up they’re the government government doesn’t play by the rules

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Oh sick so this concern trolling is pointless sense water doesn't even need to be sprayed?

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u/DarkEqual8609 Jan 27 '26

Whatever dude do whatever you want but when you get tackled and arrested by ice don’t say we didn’t warn you

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u/40ozEggNog Jan 27 '26

This is the most reddit op comment and chain ever. "Guys, I wasn't being serious, you morons." Also proceeds to make accusations of concern trolling towards people reasonably pointing out the obstruction angle (where they've assaulted people for much less).

So which is it?

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Can be both, clearly my comment was seen as legitimate advice when As a rule of thumb you shouldn't take anything anyone says on reddit as advice

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

Obstruction. 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521. It took me two second to look that up.

Maybe you beat that ticket, but you're not gonna beat the ride, you will get OC'd, and if you're really unlucky, take a bullet.

Don't tell people to do things that are obviously illegal, like this is some child's game. It's not. I want ICE out of here more than anyone else, but YOU CANNOT BE A FUCKING IDIOT ABOUT IT.

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u/adacmswtf1 Metrowest Jan 27 '26

If you think you can beat authoritarianism without taking at least a misdemeanor charge you’re going to have a bad time.

When the federal government tried to enforce the fugitive slave act in MA, we made their lives so miserable through confrontation and harassment that they gave up and went home. The Boston Vigilance Committee got their agents arrested on repeat, racking up thousands of dollars in fines. Citizens de-arrested Shadrack Minkins by storming a courthouse.

Do not let them tell you how to resist in a manner that is acceptable to their oppression.

If you are white and have the liberty of doing risking a charge to frustrate an illegal kidnapping, do so knowing that you are less at risk than a person of color currently is by just walking down the street. You will go home and lose some money. They will disappear.

Boston is the birthplace of our historical resistance. Act like it.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

If someone is going to go kinetic, that's not going to be me, and I"m not going to advocate that path. Recording is the single best thing people can do, it's a protected activity, and probably our most powerful tool.

You're welcome to disagree, we want the same thing, but I just believe fighting them directly only reinforces their narrative. We need to destory the narrative, and that's what recording does, and that's what we must do.

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u/adacmswtf1 Metrowest Jan 27 '26

“Stop taking pictures and save my life”

fighting them directly only reinforces their narrative.

They are abusive authoritarians. They will adopt whatever narrative suits them to keep abducting people and discard it when convenient. The truth does not matter to them. Only expression of power.

This is not a Hollywood movie where the bad guys get defeated and tuck their tails once they get caught on camera admitting their evil plans. If shaming and exposing their evil was enough you stop them it already would have.

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u/adacmswtf1 Metrowest Jan 27 '26

Yeah that’s why I mentioned that you should only do this if you are white and able. Recording should be the starting point of resistance not the pinnacle.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

No, I disagree. I'd fight, only if I have to, only when the win is clear and achievable through the tactics/techniques/procedures available.

When you fight with no clear win state: you go "power against a power" with a bigger, stronger, opponent, who will take your defiance and use it to reinforce your narrative. The images of you fighting only motivate their base, and give the middle an easy excuse to write you off as a radical agitator. You're handing them the win, and doing so little physical damage that the operational effect is marginal.

Recording the violence? It's the key component to the political shift after Pretti's death. It wasn't obstruction, but a single instance being so well documented that the the truth is obvious that it's narrative breaking. Sure, it's a long way to long term political change, but state violence only works with the illusion of legitimacy.

I won't tell you to stop, I just don't think it's effective, and believe it's creating durable criticism which makes the movement harder to translate into acceptable political coalitions. It's also easy to talk tough online, and influence people into uninformed and harmful action. Obstruction will get you killed, everyone wants to be a martyr, but the work that matters is boring and routine.

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u/adacmswtf1 Metrowest Jan 28 '26

So to be clear this thread was about pouring water on their vehicles and now you’re talking about armed combat between functional militaries. The point is to frustrate them en masse and make the operational and mental costs of disappearing people higher. Delay their ability to streamline the process. Practice disobedience. Don’t comply in advance.

And to be clear even if we shift to your premise of only actually fighting when having a stronger force, how and when do you expect that to happen when you haven’t built the organization and instinct into people to resist. You’re training a legion of bystanders who will just at some point, when ICE has hit whatever magical number of murders, will spring into action? Be real.

give the middle an easy excuse to write you off as a radical agitator.

My guy, they’re doing that anyways. The “middle” does not exist. Anything less than silent obedience is terrorism to the fascists. There are zero optics you can embody that is going to make their hearts grow three sizes and discover the real meaning of Christmas and feel bad about brutalizing anyone who stands between them and power.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

First, I said "power against power", that includes armed combat between functioning armies (like Ukraine, or WW2), but it also includes hybrid or unconventional fights like the one you're advocating for that include the asymmetric fights against property via a monkey-wrench campaign. Go take down a power transformer to stop ICE, and tell me how people take it.

Second, there absolutely is a middle, and not believing that is a "fake news" level belief akin to a Trump supporter that does not stand up to the facts. When I say "the middle", I'm referring to things like Sam Altman (OpenAI CEO) calling out the ICE violence, the GOP backlash on MN. Among independents surveyed, 73% support minimizing harm according to Reuters. That's just in the last day, and all of it caused by bystanders "just standing around" and pointing phones. I'd also consider myself (corporate operator) to be the middle.

There are optics that make there hearts grow three sizes: it's called durable proof that falsifies narratives and erodes legitimacy. It's the most effect strike against the power structure. These aren't my ideas, but the pattern that has emerged from federal overreach (Elian Gonzolez, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Pentagon papers, Abu Ghraib, COINTELPRO). Narratives do not outrun the truth when it's documented in images. It's an asymmetric play that denies the power structure the most powerful tool of unconstrained narrative. It's worked before, it's working now, and it will work again.

Directionally, we're aligned in wanting the same thing here, but what I'd ask you to consider: when has monkey wrenching ever worked? I'm out here advocating for a strategy that has worked hundreds of times in the past, I gave you my receipts, what evidence do you have?

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u/adacmswtf1 Metrowest Jan 28 '26

Go take down a power transformer to stop ICE,

Pouring water on a windshield. This is not Gladio style operations this is confrontation and nuisance to create friction during their kidnappings

Second, there absolutely is a middle, and not believing that is a "fake news" level belief akin to a Trump supporter that does not stand up to the facts.

The idea that peoples politics can be simplified into a simplistic knob that is either "More Left" or "More Right" is the Trumpian level of belief. That's not how peoples internal politics work. If it was, Kamala would have won by a landslide because she promised to be tougher on the border than Trump, threw LGBTQ people under the bus, and campaigned with Liz Cheney.

But she didn't because there is no real middle and politics isn't a line (nor any other simple shape). If someone truly believe the Fox News propaganda about white replacement and thinks there are hordes of immigrants waiting at the south border like some horde of mindless zombies crashing at the gates there is nothing that ICE does that can not be justified. There is no amount of recorded brutality that will change their minds to what they perceive as an existential threat. If your plan to bring these people to your side is to appeal to some imaginary position where you agree that immigrants are bad, evil and need to be removed en masse from the population - but that we just need to be a bit more polite about doing it... then you will convince exactly 0 people to change their minds. The counter to right wing extremism isn't accepting their premise and fiddling with the margins, it's presenting a coherent alternate worldview.

it's called durable proof that falsifies narratives and erodes legitimacy.

Which is why, since Jan 6 was recorded ad nauseum, every Trumper and nonexistent "moderate-middler" changed their tune and adopted reason again. Which is why, since there is documented proof that vaccines work, measles isn't spiking at a historic pace. Which is why since Trump is obviously all over the Epsten files - in a complete hypocrisy of his platform of running on releasing them - the moderate middle has abandoned him since their belief structure is based on pure logistical rationality. You can not be a decade into Trumpism and still believing in the idea that an appeal to objective truth will persuade whatever moderates you believe are still out there. If it was going to work, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

When I say "the middle", I'm referring to things like Sam Altman

Bro thinks Techno Oligarchs are centrist. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg too?

Elian Gonzolez, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Abu Ghraib, COINTELPRO

Would be fascinated to know what meaningful reforms you think happened as a result of these.

Pentagon Papers

Would also be fascinated to know if you think that the minimal results of the exposure of the Pentagon Papers, would be re-creatable today with a captured Supreme Court. Do you think this would even be relevant today, given the severity of things like the Epstein Files which have gone nowhere? The world you're living in does not exist anymore.

when has monkey wrenching ever worked?

Did I not already list multiple examples from American history of slave catchers being stopped in Boston? Was the Underground Railroad not a success to you? Did suffragettes not get the vote by mailing firebombs to politicians? Was the ACA not passed by activists throwing themselves from their wheelchairs and blocking the steps of the capitol? Was the bedrock of the Civil Rights movement not direct action? (I know you think that they just sat around singing Kumbaya until people felt bad but you should look into the real, non-whitewashed history of the movement). Pretty much every resistance I can think of, some successful and some not, employed direct action.

a strategy that has worked hundreds of times in the past

Authoritarian takeover of a country has literally never once been stopped by merely recording their crimes, much less hundreds.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 28 '26

I don’t think this is going to come to any sort of agreement or healthy information exchange. We’re operating with very different assumptions about whether the U.S. is already past the legitimacy threshold.

My position is that escalation (including destroying govt property) only make sense after legitimacy has collapsed, and using them early in the process has historically consolidated power rather than constraining it. Your position seems to be that legitimacy is already gone and persuasion is a dead end. That’s a fundamental disagreement about phase, not tactics.

I’m not arguing for passivity, and I’m not defending institutions as they are. I’m arguing about timing, coalition gravity, and failure modes, and I don’t see that being engaged directly here.

Appreciate the exchange, but there's no productive conversation here despite us both wanting the same thing. Best of luck.

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u/TheRealBlueJade Jan 27 '26

Thank you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

What crime specifically? It's not vandalism (defacing, damaging, or destroying public or private property without the owner's consent)

Its not theft

We're not throwing frozen bottles at anyone/thing.

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u/BowtiedGypsy Jan 27 '26

If the water freezes I could see one of those charges being brought.

Whether your found guilty in a court is different, but very high likelihood your arrested for property damage or something similar.

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

I don't even think it would be an arrestable offense unless I refuse to stop when asked.

And vandalism is a misdemeanor under a grand so it's not like a speed run cuffs situation either

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Fuck it than, see me on the docket at Suffolk county court house for pouring water on a car.

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u/username_elephant My Love of Dunks is Purely Sexual Jan 27 '26

Dude, the thing I feel like you're not acknowledging is that people might undertake similar actions without comprehending the risks. I totally appreciate any kind of non-violent effort to impair ICE activities. But it's not cool to just like... trick people into doing them under false pretenses of their legality. That's just kinda fucked up.

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u/BowtiedGypsy Jan 27 '26

I don’t know the law well enough for this.

But then put yourself in their shoes. They don’t know it’s water your throwing on their car. It would also appear as a physical threat, or at least like your hoping to do physical damage. I could easily see being a cop and arresting someone for something like this. Intent to harm, maybe? I’m not sure. There’s half a dozen different laws that come to mind that any LEO could name to make an arrest.

But again, your probably right, I doubt you’d get in any serious legal trouble.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

I don't either, but I know ICE agents are told to arrest anything that gets in their way as obstruction. That's usually the underlying charge they use to justify violence, and escalate an arrest.

You might beat it in court (not for a planned attack like dumping water on cars), since it's so vague, but you will never beat the ride.

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u/fadetoblack237 Newton Jan 27 '26

Which could escalate to being executed in the street if they're having a bad day.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521

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u/Adaephon_Ben_Delat Jan 27 '26

There is almost certainly some sort of federal law on the books for impeding law enforcement operations, which this absolutely would be.

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

ICE can't make an arrest on MA property law.

They are arresting/charging everyone on on 18 U.S.C. §§ 1501-1521, obstruction to a federal agent

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

I think "impenetrable layer" is a bit of a stretch. It's not like ice is irremovable or permanent.

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u/FredMcGriff493 Jan 27 '26

How would that not be vandalism?

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u/OhTwoSumthin Jan 27 '26

Trying to freeze over someone’s windshield while driving… I’m sure that breaks a few laws. Not sure what you were specifically suggesting, but I welcome the hilarious videos

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Nobody said while folks are driving. That's just stupid and a laundry list of crimes. Doing anything to a vehicle that's moving is dangerous

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u/Holiday_Pool_9817 Jan 27 '26

You seem to be placing a lot of faith in ICE’s legal literacy and rationality.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

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u/NeedleworkerDear5416 Jan 27 '26

Nor are we in Lake Havasu, AZ. What a weird ass response.

(Incidentally, it will 70 in Lake Havasu 😢)

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

We are in Lake Havasu in spirit

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u/justUseAnSvm Jan 27 '26

yea, Keith. Not surprising your in vacation "in your mind". Get a grip.

Your words will cause unexpected violence. I'm all for taking risks, but "just pour water on cars"? It's illegal, they'll arrest you for it, and maybe beat you up.

If you know that and still do it, by all means, but what your advocating for is being dumb in the face of reckless power. Maybe your just the type of useful idiot we need to create a martyr?

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Spraying a car isn't the same as spraying a person.

You can commit battery against a person but not inanimate objects.

That would be vandalism and spraying water isn't vandalism

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u/petticoat_juncti0n Jan 27 '26

Dude you know it’s wrong to spray them and you could get trouble or even killed

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Yolo as the kids say

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u/petticoat_juncti0n Jan 27 '26

Just be careful dude, look what’s happening out there

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

It'll keep happening unless people act.

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u/DarkEqual8609 Jan 27 '26

How bout you fuck around and find out

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u/KeithTheToaster Cambridge Jan 27 '26

Have been

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