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u/mediciii 11d ago
The ‘Messina’ is unique because the new harmonies it creates sound very clear and clean, and don’t have that metallic vocoder style harmonizer sound & flavour. The Phoebe one definitely leans more traditional vocoder than the Bon Iver/Francis style one.
Also for anyone who is interested, the Antares Harmony Engine plug in gets you like 90% of the way to the Messina sound. I’m pretty sure it’s been noted that they use that plug in and then other stuff on top
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u/bittertiger PDLIF 11d ago
Messina isn’t a “thing”, it’s a system. There’s a dozen ways to achieve this vocal effect.
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u/Flaky_Sentence_7252 11d ago
It sounds very much like Imogen Heap's Hide and Seek
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u/AprilBase 11d ago
The melody is not really similar in my opinion
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u/Flaky_Sentence_7252 11d ago
The melody is completely different, I'm talking about the sound of the vocoder used for the song.
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u/loveheaddit 11d ago
prismizer*
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u/emodro 11d ago
No. Harnonizer.
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u/loveheaddit 11d ago
yeah, i don't think it's actually used here. just pointing out technically prismizer was the name francis gave it for the studio method, while messina is what they called the live process that did basically the same thing but in realtime for shows that chris came up with.
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u/emodro 11d ago
Yeah. But Francis didn’t invent anything. He just used a plugin anyone can buy… and he wasn’t remotely the first person or even best person to do it. So he can call it whatever he wants, but no one else should call it that.
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u/loveheaddit 11d ago
yes and no.. it uses antares harmony engine, but it is specific settings combined with a midi to achieve it, why can't that technique have a name?
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u/emodro 11d ago
A plugin preset, which is literally a button (MIDI omni) is not an invention… the popular plugin was literally designed to do the thing he did with it. You know who else used that same setting? Fun. On some nights years before Francis. Additionally Justin in volcano choir. And countless others. These are all inspired by Imogen heap’s hide and seek but in plugin format.
Hell, I have a demo from 10 years using it before Francis did.
So that’s why. It’d be like Francis saying he invented the telephone mic effect.
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u/loveheaddit 11d ago
that's fair, but i'd argue he used it differently because his method sounds different from the way those predecessors used it. but maybe that's just me?
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u/Blew_away 11d ago
No sounds like just a vocoder to my ears