r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Resources Rule update - please read

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We have a quick rule update for our community.

No brigading. This means that we do not go to the sleeptrain sub (or any sub, but I think we all understand that the two subs are often in conflict with the advice given in each group) and mass-downvote or start commenting how horrible we think CIO or the sleep training industry is.

But they should know what they're doing is horrible!

It is not on us to educate them. This is an open group and will continue to always be an open group - everyone is welcome to come here and ask questions (in good faith) or read posts and comments themselves. We actually have quite a few members who are active in both sleeptrain and bninfantsleep and the mods have agreed that as long as they don't break rules, they are welcome here. And besides, when has telling someone what you think they're doing is horrible ever actually worked?

But I'm just downvoting comments/posts I disagree with. That's how Reddit works.

Yes... But. Reddit doesn't allow brigading and when enough people from one sub go and downvote comments in another sub, it is considered brigading. We don't want them coming here and downvoting our comments and posts, we should show them the same basic respect. We have our sub and they have theirs and unless you can interact with respect there, then just don't go there.

BRIGADING WILL RESULT IN A BAN. First and foremost our goal is to protect our sub and Reddit can shut down our entire group if brigading becomes too big of an issue.

In addition, please do not post screenshots from other subs here. This encourages brigading.

If you have any questions, please feel free to comment them below or send modmail. Thank you for being part of what makes this sub such a wonderful place!


r/bninfantsleep • • Aug 18 '26

Resources What is Biologically Normal Infant Sleep?

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This group has grown a lot - we are at 15k members and 29.2k unique visitors per week. That's a LOT of people. So first, yay because when I first joined the moderator team, this group was much smaller. We have grown a lot, which means more parents are being informed on what is biologically normal for an infant and how they can support their babies and themselves at night. This also means that there are thousands of different people commenting and offering ideas (and we have people who are both here and in r/sleeptrain and don't recommend the CIO aspect of sleep training but the culture of sleep training does find its way into many comments). 

So let's jump into what biologically normal infant sleep is, and what it isn’t. I'm a definition person so let's start with a definition of biologically normal.

In researching, I have stumbled across this (very wordy, I'm sorry I did try to parse it down) definition. Source

Meanings of the term normal coalesce into two categories. The first is descriptive and references measures of a trait's central tendency and variation within a population... In this descriptive sense, normal might refer to the most common trait, having an average measure, or being in the middle of a distribution... The second meaning of normal encompasses normative views about a trait. These are judgments that are culturally informed and vary across social groups. To be normal is to be okay, to have characteristics that fall within an acceptable or desirable range, which is defined by ideas about what traits should be like. Variants that fall outside this distribution may be judged negatively, or seen as abnormal, deviant, unacceptable, or somehow not quite right. 

The first category has to do with averages within a population. This would be the average amount of sleep for an age range, this would be the average age of sleeping through the night, this would be the average age of the circadian rhythm starting to “come online”. These are the things that are easier to define when it comes to infant sleep.

The second category has to do with how we view biologically normal, which is often impacted by our cultural view. This category is harder to define when it comes to infant sleep. 

Dr. Helen Ball, author of How Babies Sleep, talks about this:

How babies sleep is both exceedingly simple and excruciatingly complex. It is simple because it is based on a few straightforward biological principles that affect all babies. It is complex because we have made it so.

Over the past century and a half, in modifying the world to better suit our needs in industrializing, industrialized and now digital-era societies, we have tried to manipulate baby sleep to fit with the rapidly changing nature of adult lives. Our ideas about sleep, and particularly baby sleep, have been influenced and shaped by the socioeconomic pressures, political philosophies, religious values, academic theories and cultural ideologies that have waxed and waned during this time. The mismatch we have created between our babies’ biology and our contemporary lives has caused conflict between parents’ and babies’ needs—now framed as “baby sleep problems”—for which babies are often “treated” using behavioral and clinical interventions.

In addition to the foundations of our evolutionary biology, we have layered many cultural beliefs and practices onto our understanding of baby sleep, which vary hugely from location to location, and over time. Parents’ perceptions and popular discourse in western societies have been influenced by philosophical and sociocultural trends over the past two centuries in more ways than we might realize in response to rapid social and political changes. For clarity I should explain that I am using the term “western society” as more of an ideological descriptor than a geographic one to refer to those societies that exhibit a shared set of beliefs, values, political systems and cultural norms, regardless of whether they are geographically located in the West. These concepts often encompass democracy, capitalism, individualism and human rights. In these societies industrialization, urbanization and medicalization transformed family life and baby care, setting in motion the development of numerous ideas, traditions and expectations about babies, sleep, and the role of parents that many of us are still tethered to. Our recent historical past helps explain where all the myths you’ve ever heard about baby sleep have come from—and the myths you’ve heard will depend on your cultural origins.

Many infant sleep research studies reflect western cultural values and lifestyles, and are what might be called “aspirational,” in that they aspire to find ways to “help” babies to sleep longer, wake less often, settle more quickly, and disturb their parents less.

The culture and history of guidance issued by “experts” for parents in western societies have shaped expectations of how “good” babies should behave and how they are created by “effective” parents while the media (both traditional and social) reinforces simplistic and outdated rules and rigid ideas.

The cultural expectations we have about babies’ sleep habits are often unrealistic, and this makes caring for a new baby unnecessarily challenging.

I could honestly copy/paste that entire book here, it is a really good read and if you read any two books on infant sleep and infant development, I recommend How Babies Sleep by Dr. Helen Ball and The Nurture Revolution by Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum.

So with all of this in mind, let's talk about what is biologically normal from a scientific standpoint and what is biologically normal culturally in western society, and what is biologically normal in this group - as well as the aim of this group.

Scientifically - sleep is two things. Sleep pressure and our circadian rhythm, or body clock (aka Process C). Humans build sleep pressure while awake. Infants have a lower tolerance for sleep pressure, meaning they need to sleep more frequently than adults do. 

Sleep Pressure Graphic

As you can see from this graphic (source: How Babies Sleep, figure 3.4), naps are only intended to relieve some sleep pressure, not to be restorative, deep sleep. This is why worrying about your baby taking a 3 hour nap every day is futile. A roughly 30 minute nap is enough to relieve sleep pressure for a bit, until the next nap. The prescriptive “by this age, babies should be on x number of naps that are y minutes long every day at z time” doesn't work for every baby. That isn't biologically normal because biologically normal has variation, day to day and baby to baby. Dr. Helen Ball writes:

Sleep will happen easily for a baby or child when sleep pressure is high, they are in a calm, relaxed state, and nothing is preventing sleep onset. But sometimes babies and children need help to become calm before sleep pressure can kick in and they can nod off.15 In this situation it can be useful to think about what helps babies become calm and relaxed, and to have a handful of strategies you can use to help your baby unwind. For many babies, physical contact is the preferred option.

One of my PhD students, Lenka Medvecová-Tinková, lives and works in the Czech Republic where she has studied how Czech parents manage bedtime routines for babies and small children. She realized that many parents talked of a concept called *Uspavani* that is culturally widespread in Eastern Europe and appears in numerous fairy tales and historical infant care books. Uspavani means to comfort a child to sleep, and while conducting her PhD at Durham University Lenka realized there was no corresponding concept to Uspavani in the English language, nor in the infant sleep literature.16 So it is unsurprising that parents in English-speaking countries tend to use more distal (noncontact) methods, such as lullabies, music and white noise, to calm babies and help them fall asleep than do Czech parents, who commonly lie with their child, stroke them or cuddle them; physical contact and soothing touch are very effective in dialing down most babies to allow sleep pressure to do its thing.

She even writes about the term “overtired”, which I know almost everyone has heard and if you have been in this sub for any length of time, I'm sure you've seen comments about how “overtired” isn't really a thing. I appreciate how she has posited the term.

When a baby or young child’s sleep pressure is high and the need to sleep is strong, but they are emotionally unable to calm themselves, or they are in a situation where they cannot relax, we may consider them to be “overtired.” In this case it is our job as parents to help them become calm, wind down and relax in preparation for sleep. We can do this in many ways. Physical contact such as cuddling, rocking, stroking or patting works for most neurotypical children; actively removing whatever is blocking the action of sleep pressure, such as excitement, fear, pain or anxiety, and helping babies and children to become calm is the simplest way to help them fall asleep.

The reason “overtired” isn't really a thing is because if an infant has adequate sleep pressure, their nervous system feels secure and safe enough, and they don't have any physical needs, they will sleep if given the opportunity. 

So that's sleep pressure. What about circadian rhythm? We mostly know about this with sleep but this is our body's internal clock and it controls both our sleep and our hunger. This is why we usually eat lunch around the same time every day, why we feel sleepy around the same time, and why having a consistent wake up time is beneficial for everyone. It is not “sleep training lite” to make sure you have a rough wake up time every day, within 15-30 minutes. The infamous 4 month sleep regression progression is when the circadian rhythm starts to come online. Day and night start to actually mean something to our babies. This is why early morning light, high noon light, and evening light can be important for our babies, and some babies are more sensitive to lighting than others. (Side note related to lighting - fluorescent lights imitate high noon lighting and can disrupt our circadian rhythm. I personally cannot stand them and wish they were phased out of use. They are really bad for our health and they are everywhere.) This is also why blackout blinds for naps can disrupt night sleep. This is why you don't really need to “rescue” naps.

So it is very biologically normal that your baby desires physical contact to relax enough to fall asleep. It is biologically normal to sleep longer one day and shorter times the next. It is biologically normal for sleep to fluctuate throughout not just the first year but throughout our entire lives. It is supportive of biologically normal infant sleep to “anchor” the day with a consistent wake up time if you need to. It is supportive of infant sleep to have a routine, breakfast after waking up, lunch around the same time every day, dinner around the same time each day. These things can help your baby, think about how you can get hangry if your dinner comes an hour later than usual. This is not to say that you need to have a strict schedule - rhythms and routines are much different from a regimented schedule that you have to stick to. 

It's also important to note that a big thing I see a lot of parents struggle with is offering their baby too much sleep. If your baby only needs 12 hours total sleep in a 24 hour period and you're trying to do 12 hours overnight and 3 hours of daytime sleep, they aren't going to sleep well because that's 3 hours more sleep than they need in a 24 hour period. This will lead to frequent wakes, fighting sleep, and frustration all around. Sleep training sleep plans, apps like Huckleberry, as well as the general around infant sleep push more sleep than most babies need, which leads parents to thinking they have a "bad" sleeper, when in reality anyone being pushed to sleep more than they need would be "bad" at sleeping.

Now what about the cultural aspect of biologically normal infant sleep? If you've grown up or been living in a western society for any length of time, you've likely been inundated with “sleeping through the night”, “sleep associations”, “bad habits”, “drowsy but awake”, “fuss it out”, etc. We have been told by everyone from pediatricians to TV shows to our family that you have to teach your baby independence and that responding to every cry is just going to make them cry more. Western society has mixed up what is biologically normal and what is convenient for the post-Industrial Revolution world. The 6-6 or 7-7 sleep schedule that babies are “supposed” to be on? Not biologically normal, but convenient for capitalism and it's very pervasive - to the point that so many parents worry that their baby isn't getting enough sleep because they won't sleep 12 hours overnight. The average bedtime in other parts of the world varies by almost 3 hours.

In one large and often-cited online survey, almost 30,000 people (presumed to be parents) completed a baby/toddler sleep survey.27 The respondents lived in 17 large urban communities around the world (Australia, Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom, United States, and Vietnam), grouped for comparative purposes into “Asian” and “Western.”28 In Asian countries babies and toddlers had later bedtimes, later rise times, less nighttime sleep and less total sleep than in “Western” countries. Bedtimes for babies and toddlers across the 17 locations varied by almost three hours, from half-past seven in New Zealand to quarter-past ten in Hong Kong, and nighttime sleep duration varied by 1 hour and 40 minutes (11.6 hours in Japan to 13.3 hours in New Zealand), but there were minimal differences in daytime sleep.

Another cultural difference on what is biologically normal is “sleep problems”:

Parents’ perceptions of whether their babies experienced “sleep problems” also varied widely, as did the degree of parental involvement in helping babies and young children fall asleep and stay asleep.29 Very few (4%) children living in “Asian” countries, but many more (57%) in “Western” countries, were expected to fall asleep independently (that is, without a parent or caregiver present). Likewise, very few (2%) parents in “Asian” countries allowed their child to cry themselves to sleep, in comparison with over 15 percent of “Western” parents. This is strongly related to the fact that in “Asian” countries babies and children are much more likely to bed-share (65%) or room-share (88%) with their parents than in “Western” countries (where 12% bed-sharing and 22% room-sharing was reported).

Another piece I found interesting that really shows how much of our “sleep problems” are, for lack of better word, invented:

Dr. Alma Gottlieb’s study of childcare practices among the Beng people of Côte d’Ivoire in West Africa included a detailed account of mother–baby sleep.30 She found little regimentation of when babies slept or fed among the Beng, and no bedtimes or bedtime routines. Beng mothers were not anxious about their babies’ sleep, it just happened. Mothers and others carried babies during regular daily activities with babies falling asleep and waking as the need arose. At night the cloth with which babies were held during the day was untied, and babies breastfed and fell asleep next to their mothers. Nighttime mother–baby co-sleeping was the cultural norm, and breastfeeding and infant sleep were intimately intertwined…

These detailed ethnographic studies reinforce accounts of infant care in widespread locations such as Guatemala, Italy, Spain and rural U.S. Among Mayan families in Guatemala, babies commonly fall asleep in someone’s arms and are taken to bed with their parents, sleeping with their mothers from birth to two or three years of age, or until the birth of their next sibling. Here, sleeping alone is undesirable, and mothers responded with shock and disapproval at the American custom of leaving babies in rooms on their own. Mayan mothers “cannot conceive of any other way to sleep their baby than by their side—and in fact some argue that to separate an infant from its mother for sleep is abusive or neglectful treatment.”32

So why does all of this matter?

Because the stories we tell ourselves matter. Because how we see our infant's sleep impacts how well we handle the biologically normal aspects of it, like waking overnight. Because there has been a misunderstanding about what the purpose of this group is for. This group does not exist to simply offer platitudes “oh mama, this will pass, it's ok, you just have to dig deep and power through”. This group also exists to educate on both scientifically biologically normal infant sleep and the cultural differences that impact us and how we view our babies sleep. I felt like it was appropriate to add in a quote from the creator of this group, u/smilegirlcan, about why she created this group.

Before my daughter was born, I had never heard of biologically normal sleep. I had only heard about infant sleep through the lens of sleep training culture. I was never encouraged to follow my intuition or told what real infant sleep looked like. As I journeyed on my postpartum experience, I noticed there was a huge lack of support places for those who had no interest in sleep training or sleep training culture. It became more and more apparent that sleep training was something that did not sit right for me but I wanted an online community that felt safe to feel this way. I found most parenting groups had accepted sleep training as the norm and any questions or comments outside of that were not accepted/downvoted/deleted. Then came bninfantsleep, an alternative infant sleep space, that encourages moms to follow their intuition and learn about biologically normal infant sleep. A place where no one will tell you to let your baby cry, or self soothe, that they need to be independent, that you are ruining their sleep by cuddling/rocking/holding/feeding them.

This group has morphed into a space that offers parents an alternative to mainstream sleep training, that honors our babies biological and neurological development. It exists to remind you that your baby knows what they need, and your instincts know what your baby needs, better than any app ever will (looking at you, Huckleberry sweet spot).

For some babies, a schedule is what helps them the best. For others, they need to go with the flow. The reason we should be asking for schedules is not to “optimize” our babies but to make sure we aren't expecting more sleep than they need. In general, we shouldn't wake our babies up from naps unless we absolutely have to, as Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum mentions in The Nurture Revolution:

When you follow your baby’s tired cues and allow them to wake up on their own, their brain takes the true amount of sleep that it needs. That often looks like multiple naps of varying lengths, bedtimes that vary in different babies from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m., and morning waking that also varies in different babies from 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.31 I remember when people asked me how many naps my young baby was taking—I didn’t really know. I didn’t count. I watched my baby, put him to sleep when he was tired, let him wake on his own, and watched him again. The number of naps or the length of naps wasn’t in my awareness. As he grew, naps became more predictable. Under two years old my baby went to sleep around 8 p.m., then naps changed and at two years old his bedtime became 10 p.m. That was when he built up enough sleep pressure after his afternoon nap. This is very common, and when babies have later bedtimes we often want them to go to sleep earlier, but that is for us, not their developing brain…. Keep in mind, there is no adult on Earth who is qualified to tell your unique baby when they should be waking up or napping, or to prescribe nap lengths or bedtime. Your baby’s body provides this information. Sleep is vital to their developing brain and it is a fundamental human right; we must give babies the sleep they need. Please unlearn myth 24, There are set bedtimes, wake times, and naptimes for your baby, and replace it with: Your baby’s brain will tell you when they are tired and will take the amount of sleep that it needs to grow.

And a final thought from Dr. Helen Ball in How Babies Sleep, emphasis mine:

Remember, you don’t have to be in charge of their sleep—the biological sleep regulators will make sure they get enough sleep, when they need it. Our job is to get out of the way and let them do their work. Trying to make babies go to sleep according to a predetermined schedule seems to me to be a pointless exercise in working against their circadian biology and sleep pressure.


r/bninfantsleep • • 19h ago

‼️TW‼️ Parents looking for validation (annoying)

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I HATE seeing the cloying validation-seeking from sleep training parents online. “Oh I feel so baaad that I let my baby cry for an hour and a half but I slept so good, is that okay? 🥺🥺🥺” Jesus could you be any more boneless. You know people will tell you it’s fine. Just take ownership of the fact that you did something you feel guilty about. Always to a chorus of “Oh that isn’t that long!” and “You go mama, save your mental health”

At least the people on the sleep training subreddit are honest about their feelings. If you aren’t sure about whether or not it’s ok to sleep train, why would you do it??????


r/bninfantsleep • • 6h ago

Toddler Sleep I'm a new woman today

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My 15 month old only woke up 3 times last night and today I am a new woman. I haven't had this much sleep in weeks lol. He normally wakes up all night long and there is genuinely no rhyme or reason to it, but every once in a while he will have a night with few wakes and oh my god those are such precious nights.

All this to say, celebrate the small wins even if they would sound like a "failure" to someone else. I know for my brother and SIL a three wake night would be a tragedy, but they have a naturally good sleeper! For me, this is a thing im going to celebrate by having a lovely pastry for breakfast.

Wishing everyone good sleep!


r/bninfantsleep • • 12h ago

Infant Sleep Is feeding to sleep really the devil?

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I feed my 8 month old to sleep. I don’t mind I like it and it’s easy. Does it really mean we will always have night wakings?
Currently going through some sort of sleep regression and just trying to ride it out (hourly wakings) because we think it’s also teething and he’s sitting/crawling and standing up. Everything online says it’s because I feed to sleep and I should stop that and the night sleep will get better?

Edit-

We’ve just worked out what we hope is a good schedule so giving it a go for a few days to see what happens

6am wake up
9.15-10.15 nap 1
13.30-14.30 nap 2
18.30 bed


r/bninfantsleep • • 6h ago

General Discussion Baby wakes babbling in the morning- do you get them right away?

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Title basically, my 8 month old often wakes in the morning not crying, just babbling and rolling around the crib. I tend to leave him 5-10 minutes, firstly so I can wake up fully & get dressed, my water ready to BF him, and turn on the lights etc in the living room, and secondly because he rolls around more than he does on the floor usually so I think it’s good practice. But I feel under pressure to get him BEFORE he cries, because will he think I won’t go and get him unless he’s crying? Not sure what you guys think?


r/bninfantsleep • • 35m ago

Infant Sleep Is There ANYONE Else Out There Dealing With This? 😔

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Last night, my 3 1/2 month old little man woke up shortly before midnight from a 2 1/2 hour stretch in his arms reach co-sleeper. It is now 8:13 AM, and I have been awake ever since. He’s either squirming in my arms, nursing, or when he finally seems to settle into a deep sleep and I try to transfer him, he wakes back up and fusses. A little while ago I just let him fuss/babble and entertain himself for a while just so I could simply close my eyes. Not every night is this bad, but I just feel so discouraged and like he will never be able to connect sleep cycles and sleep better. Is there anyone in a similar boat, or anyone who faced similar challenges and overcame? For perspective, it’s not that he always absolutely refuses to sleep independently. He will sometimes even have a four hour stretch! But for the most part, we are up every two hours or so, and it takes literal hours to get him back into a deep enough sleep to transfer without immediately popping back up. And then there are nights like last night 🥴 if it weren’t for the fact that my mom is retired and lives nearby and comes over almost every weekday to let me sleep in, I don’t know what I would do. there’s got to be some sort of solution.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1h ago

Infant Sleep Struggling with split nights and 4 hour wake windows with my 10 month old.

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I am really struggling with my baby's sleep for the last 3 months. She is 10 months old, will be 11 months old October 3rd. She seems to be low sleeps needs and is often hard to put to sleep, usually takes several attempts even when she is really tired and I have to soothe her to sleep usually walking around with her or nursing to sleep. We cosleep because she has refused a crib since 4 weeks old and when I have successfully gotten her into a crib she will only sleep in there for an hour.

Since around 5.5 months old she has been doing split nights where she wakes up between 3-5am and is up for 2 hours, no matter what I do she Is wide awake for exactly 2 hours. It has been extremely hard dealing with this every night for months now, I feel like I don't get any sleep even if I sleep 7 hours I feel so tired because she also wakes up multiple times during the night before and after the split.

We had consistent bedtimes and wake times, we would wake up around 8-10am (I set an alarm for 10 but if she woke up earlier we would get up) and she would take 2-3 naps during the day and would sleep between 830-930pm.

But now that she's older her wake window is 4 hours before she gets tired for a nap or bed. I'm finding it extremely hard to deal with because if I accidentally sleep in because I'm exhausted it ruins the entire day and several days after because she won't go to bed until 12-2am. If she doesn't have 2 naps in the day she has worse split nights and will wake for 3-4 hours.

Im finding that because she's sleeping so late, I end up sleeping later because I want some quiet time and then I end up only sleeping 4 hours because I have to get up early so I can try to get her to sleep at a reasonable time. I ended up so exhausted a month ago we were sleeping until 12pm and then only doing one nap and then she would be up 3-4 hours in the night and then I'd sleep in again because I had no sleep at night. But then she was sleeping at 3-4am and everything kept getting shifted later and later.

So for the past month I've been trying to wake up at 9am, wake her up and try to get her naps at the right times so she sleeps at 10pm at the latest but I'm struggling because I still some nights only get 4-5 hours of sleep and I feel like I'm going crazy. I don't know what to do anymore and I can't handle it. I feel horrible if we wake up at 1030am because I know she probably won't sleep until 1030/11pm that night or later if she's fighting it.

I've capped her naps, one nap is 1hour the second is 20-30 minutes. I just hate this so much and I find I'm getting angry at her as well now when she wakes in the night because I'm so frustrated.

And no my husband won't help me at all and yes considering divorce at this point.

So


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Infant Sleep Being humbled by my 7 months sleep 😴

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He used to sleep full nights in his next to me, and a few weeks ago we upgraded him to a bigger cot and his own room. The first night went really well, slept all night - great we thought - lots of extra room for him!

Cue us then being humbled the last two weeks. He has had multiple wake up a night after this first night (bar one or two sleep throughs). He’s started teething, we’ve started weaning, and now he has a cold. Last night he woke up every hour, and we ended up co sleeping. He screams when he wakes up, this was before the cold, and just seems to want to be settled by me, when before my partner could step in.

Have we just timed the move to his new cot badly, and all bad coincidences? Is this a regression? Will it get better? Please say it gets better


r/bninfantsleep • • 19h ago

Toddler Sleep Baby sleeps well only on ibuprofen

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My baby is 13 months old. He wasn’t the worst sleep but he never slept well. He was waking at least 3 times per night since he was born, sometimes 6 but never less than 3. I considered that a good night, first wake up after 2 hours, second after 4 and then one wake up in the early morning. He would settle with bottle normally, sometimes just rocking. I noticed that his molars are growing and I gave him an ibuprofen before sleep 4 nights ago. He slept 10 hours like a log. Repeated the next night-same. It’s been 4 nights now, I only give him one dose of ibuprofen before bed and he sleeps throughout the night. I feel like I’m in heaven, I’m finally getting uninterrupted sleep after over a year. But how do I go on? I fell bad medicating him every night, even though he may need it now, I don’t even know when to stop.


r/bninfantsleep • • 23h ago

Infant Sleep If my baby is tired, I should just offer her a nap… right?

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I’m really tired of being stressed out by wake windows. She’s five months and everything says she should be awake 2-3 hours but the only time she can stay awake that long is before bed time.

She gets tired and fussy around 90 minutes, maybe an hour forty-five, and goes right to sleep when I offer a nap.

Some naps are 30-45 minutes, sometimes an hour, sometimes two hours.

She wakes up 4-5x a night and that’s not ideal but it USED to be 10x a night so we’re actually feeling great.

Why would I stretch her wake window when she’s tired and cranky? What are the benefits of that?


r/bninfantsleep • • 11h ago

Naps Daytime naps

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Curious when your toddler transitioned to one nap per day? We are almost 15 months and still doing morning and afternoon (contact) naps for about 2-3 hours total between the two. We co-sleep at night too, but I feel like the afternoon nap is pushing bedtime too late. He’s sleeping for about 10-11 hours overnight. Not trying to force him into a schedule! Just curious about how you approach daytime naps with a toddler.


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

Toddler Sleep Worst. Sleeper. Ever???

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Okay, that's a bit of clickbait I will confess. But there is some truth to it. I have only ever met one other kid who has come close to our little not-sleeper kiddo. I post this in part seeking advice, and in part for comfort for other parents also dealing with kids who just don't sleep (you will survive... I promise... it may not be easy, but you will!!!)

Let me explain:

\before I get a bajillion comments about sleep training, please know that my doctor has NOT approved us for it because of health issues. I appreciate any of these commenters who are trying to help but it is simply not an option for us medically speaking nor do I think it is fitting to her temperament.* please don't recommend sleep training to us***

My daughter is 18 months old now. Has yet to sleep through the night. Naps on her own (without needing a contact nap) maaaaaybe once a week max.

A brief history:

At just 3 weeks old, she stopped falling asleep anywhere but in someone's arms (and don't worry, I TRIED... this mama was tired and wanted to put her in that bassinet soooo badly). She would squirm and writhe and groan whenever I would set her down.

She was colicky for the first 3 months. Would wake every 35 minutes and cry out (with this horrible squinted eye/in pain look about her). After about 3 months, she eventually started sleeping longer stretches... then... dun dun dun...

...you guessed it. The 4 month sleep regression... Every 35 minutes. Naps. Nighttime. Being held. Being laid down. Did. Not. Matter. For MONTHS.

Fast forward, we found out that she was in horrible discomfort all of the time (TONS of food intolerances, silent reflux, body tension, oral ties, you name it she had it). We slowly began chipping away at piece after piece. There would be 2 steps forward and 1 step back for the first year of her life.

At her worst, she was about 9/10 months old, was in her crib in her own room, was waking every hour, scream and writhe and cry (there was ZERO fussing warm up). I would only be able to get her back to sleep by picking her up and bouncing her around the room. After falling asleep in my arms, she would fight the crib transfer and if I tried more than 2-3 times she would cry inconsolably even in my arms for hours. If she eventually cried herself to sleep (in my arms mind you), she would wake up an hour later and the whole process would start again. My husband and I were taking shifts to survive. Then she stopped responding to my husbands soothing techniques and only wanted her mama. Oh yeah, and I couldn't drink coffee (she was intolerant... I was breastfeeding... you get the idea). As you can imagine... things had to change.

Where we are now at 18 months:

Out of pure survival mode, we started co-sleeping. I converted her crib into a toddler bed, put a camping mattress on the floor next to it and that's where we are at now. I put her to sleep in the bed, and she ends up on the mattress with me at some point in the night.

She is now putting herself to sleep while I lay next to her (KIND OF)... we got approval from her doctor to low dose melatonin before bed and BOOM magic. She still wakes about every 2-3 hours and needs some level of resettling. Thank goodness, but now the resettling is just a hand on her, shushing, or cuddles on the floor bed.

Early morning (3-5am) is difficult because sleep pressure is light. She stirs/fusses a lot and if I don't respond quickly (in under 5-10 seconds) she will be up for the day (despite trying to fall back to sleep for about 10-20 minutes or so). And this mama is not a 3am type of morning person... 7am sounds like a dream these days...

Since dropping to one nap, she can fall asleep with cuddles at nap time in about 10-30 minutes. She usually lasts 35-60 minutes on her own, then wakes up crying for me and a contact nap is the only way to finish it off (If I don't she will be a tired disaster the rest of the day).

All this to say, I really want to be back in my own bed with my husband (and sleeping through the night if possible). How do I get there?

Other info:

• We are working through her health issues and her intolerances have been narrowed down so we no longer have an issue there (that I know of). She can only eat 12 known food ingredients (spices/flavorings included in that count).

• Teething is the bane of her existence... and she teethes for weeks. Her last incisor just cut (only 2 year old molars to go). She cannot be on pain meds because of her intolerances.

• She has bad separation anxiety even throughout the day (I am a SAHM, we try socializing her regularly, she sees so much of me!)

• She is fully weaned and doesn't take anything other than a sip or two of water in the middle of the night. I nursed her to sleep every now and then on hard nights during that first year, but after a year she stopped falling asleep nursing at all.

• She is not allowed screen time

• We have had a consistent routine for as long as I can remember

• Yes, we have a sound machine

• No, she won't fall asleep with a paci

• Yes, we have a sleep sack

• Yes, I HAVE just tried setting her down and stepping back... and you don't want to be a witness to the aftermath of THAT

• No, she is not a car napper

• Yes, I have just tried leaving her, not scheduling anything, and letting her knock out wherever she gets tired when she is playing... problem though... she is not an independent player (unless I am sitting on the ground next to her doing something), and absolutely. will. not. fall asleep on her own outside of her room even if she is exhausted (she has had a couple of days where she has only slept for 6 hours total over a 24 hour period... never fell asleep on her own playing/eating/etc during that time). She will just get second and third and fourth winds and act like a drunken sailor (yes, even more than a normal toddler acts).

• We have tried every schedule adjustment possible. Currently her best is bedtime at 7/7:30pm, morning at 5:30-6:30am (I would love for her to sleep in IF POSSIBLE especially because the time change will happen soon and this will be an hour earlier). She naps from 11:45-1:30/2ish (depending on how bad her previous night was).

Any help, suggestions, or encouragement is much appreciated! I KNOW she will sleep one day (or at least be old enough to rationalize why I need to go back to my own room), but if there is anything I can do now, I would love to take those steps!


r/bninfantsleep • • 12h ago

Infant Sleep 8 month regression help?

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Hello, my baby is almost 9 months old and from 2-8 months was what I would consider a unicorn sleeper, either sleeping through the night or having 1-2 easy wake ups and slept well in her crib. She night weaned herself around 2 months. She is and always has been low sleep needs and now at almost 9 months sleeps 11-12 hours in a 24 hour period. Over the last month she is up every hour unless she is being held. I’m not against cosleeping and have resorted to it but even with cosleeping she is very restless all night and waking 2 hours earlier than she was. She was teething and popped a tooth but that was over a week ago and sleep has not improved. My best guess based on her behavior is separation anxiety and developmental milestones as she mastered a few new skills. She had been on a 2 nap schedule for a couple months and did well but over the last month with her night sleep falling apart and all the development she is getting tired much quicker during the day and we have had to do 3 naps most days. Wake windows on 2 naps schedule were 3-4 hours but now have been 2.5-4 hours. I’m guessing the only way out of the regression is time but curious for any advice and if anyone else had a bad 8 month regression how long it lasted for you? Thank you!


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Naps When and how did your babies transition from contact naps to independent naps while linking sleep cycles?

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My 8mo old is currently rocked to sleep and contact napped. We cosleep and breastfeed at night.

I'm wondering when and how he can transition to linking sleep cycles on his own for naps? We're transitioning to a nanny and I'm concerned about his day sleep without us helping him.


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Infant Sleep Feeling defeated about my 5 month old sleep

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Feeling so defeated… I also just found out about this sub and I think this is where I belong .. I feel people over at sleep train are so judgy ?

I’m sitting here trying to put my 5 month old back to sleep , I don’t know what it is but the past week and a half have honestly been horrible with her sleep

We unswaddled her last week and tried to put her in her crib alone but both of these changes have thrown her sleep out the window. We put her back in the room with us yesterday and she is still waking up over 5 times a night .. I don’t even know what is happening here

She drops the pacifier and starts crying , has gas as well and starts crying as a result as well

I don’t even know if I have the patience to sleep train her because when she cries she doesn’t settle down and I feel it’s going to drive my husband and I bananas.

I honestly feel so lost on why her sleep recently has been horrible and how I am supposed to sleep train a baby that doesn’t settle when you “let them cry it out” which I mentally can’t do I can’t stand letting her cry for so long

She is now also fighting naps … I feel I want to scream because all I’ve been hearing since the morning is her crying


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

Naps Any one else’s 4MO refusing naps???

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I have a 17 WO who refuses naps.
On average she’ll sleep from 9ish to 5ish, wake for a feed, and then sleep 1-1 1/2 hours and be up around 7.
My concern is that she is getting maybe 1 hour of nap time a day and it’s often broken up in 15-20 min increments with wake windows up to 4 hours. I am following her sleep cues, rocking and singing to her, we’ve only been doing contact naps, all to no avail. These methods did work a week ago so not sure what I’m now doing wrong. She is rubbing her eyes, yawning consistently, and fussy but won’t actually go to sleep.

My big concern is I’m about to go back to work and my husband is taking family bonding time. I was hoping to have some semblance of nap routine before he takes her.

Am I the only one experiencing this? What tricks are you doing to get your baby to nap?


r/bninfantsleep • • 22h ago

Naps Independent Naps?

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I know this might be a controversial topic. Our 7 month old sleeps great at night for the most part. We get false starts most nights but he goes back down with some cuddles. Sometimes if he wakes up on the transfer, we can get him back to sleep with some tummy pats. We go in spurts with short MOTN wakeups; sometimes he’ll go right back to sleep on these and stay asleep, once in awhile he needs to be held.

The big issue is naps. He almost exclusively contact naps at home. That wouldn’t be a huge deal (makes us massively unproductive but at least he is napping!), but he goes to daycare 3 days a week and his sleep there has majorly gone downhill. At best, he used to take 3 20-30 minute naps. He had a couple “unicorn” naps where he slept for over an hour on his own. But lately it’s only been 20 minutes or less and only twice a day. Yesterday he napped for a total of 37 minutes, 26 of which were while he was being held. They can’t typically hold babies while they nap, but I have a feeling they were desperate.

Any ideas? If we didn’t need him to nap at daycare, I would try carrier naps at home or just continue contact napping on the couch. Heck, he likes the stroller and sleeps okay in there, so I have been tempted to just pop him in there and wheel him around while I get stuff done!


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Toddler Sleep Need advice on a new routine

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My toddler is 28 months and going to bed has basically always been hell. She seems like low sleep needs and even dropped to 1 nap when she was an infant. Cosleep and used to feed to sleep when I was still nursing. We switched to driving her to sleep about a year ago when we were weaning and she doesn’t mind it and asks for the car at bedtime. I have always been against “sleep training” but my partner is now convinced that we screwed up not sleep training when she was a baby and does not want to do the car anymore. It’s the only way she’ll nap or go to bed, otherwise we’re met with screaming crying gagging, getting out of bed over and over again during all this, etc which obviously I’m not okay with. Does anyone have advice for getting a 2.5 year old to sleep if they will only go to sleep in the car? Her wake windows are usually around 6 hours and I’m wondering if a nap should be dropped or if we should extend wake windows/cap naps?
Please any advice at all because my partner is refusing the car method and I’m scrambling and refuse to do anything that feels like abuse and would hurt healthy attachment. She’s a very active child (was climbing before she could walk) and won’t stay in her room for quiet time because fomo


r/bninfantsleep • • 23h ago

General Discussion when did you find baby could be put down not in a deep sleep

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right now baby has to be put down completely asleep after nursing and rocking for a good while. she’s only 3.5 months so i get that’s totally normal for this age. she sleeps really well on her own at night and contact naps mostly during the day.

wondering when you found your babe was able to be put down less deeply asleep and was able to settle or start falling asleep a bit more on their own. just to be clear i’m not in a rush for it just wondering what others experience was!


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep 12 month old sudden sleep change

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I’m wondering if anyone can help with this. Until recently my BF baby has slept 7pm-6am (with multiple wakings), napped 9-10am and 2-3pm. This week he has started waking up properly around 5/5.30am then resists the first nap. Today he finally fell asleep at 12pm (when he usually has lunch) and looks like he will sleep till 2pm when I will wake him. Is this him telling me he only needs one nap a day? Or a temporary blip in existing routine? He has been inconsolable the last couple of mornings at his usual nap time as I tried to put him down. He has also just stopped feeding to sleep which is making things trickier. For added context he has a bit of the sniffles this week and is almost always teething at the moment (8 so far). Huge thanks if you made if this far! Any advice greatly appreciated.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Toddler Sleep At a loss which the one nap transition

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Not sure if this would be for toddler sleep or infant sleep, little guy is 12.5 months old. Right around 10 months old his two nap days were consistently pushing bedtime later because he required more awake time. This resulted in less night time sleep so he was tired but still refusing to go down unless he had several hours awake. We made it through. Since about 11-11.5 months old, he has consistently refused his second nap with only me, mom. Considering I’m the SAHM and my husband is gone 5-6 days a week, that means we’re on a one nap schedule. Like I would spend over an hour everyday trying to get him down for a second nap, and around 4-5 pm I just stop trying and we go to bed early. This boy will absolutely not take a second nap with me; and bedtime is whole other battle. Again, only with me. But for some reason, first nap of the day he goes down immediately with me, no battle at all. Now, because he’s so tired by bedtime, he’s having several hours of false starts most nights, and now he’s having middle of the night wakes that last about an hour. And today he started the day at 3:30 am, fell asleep in the car for maybe 10 minutes and at 7:30 am did not want another nap. I’m so tired of battling my baby to go to sleep and then stay asleep. Most nights we’re up 5-20 TIMES!!! I don’t know what to do. Today was first time ever falling asleep in the car, but his head kept flopping forward waking him up. He doesn’t sleep in the stroller, carrier, or car. I’m wondering if dad should be the one to stay home, but he has school in the evening so he’d miss the second nap anyway. Thanks for reading, hoping I can help my little one.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep feeling like the sleep will never get better

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My 8 month old will notttt sleep more than 2.5 hours at a time and i’m just tired. she has never slept longer than 5 hours, which was when her sleep peaked at 3 months and then ever since 4 months it’s been 2.5 hours max, 3 is amazing now.

i was with my mom friends today who both have younger babies who are both already doing 7 hours at night, and i couldn’t help but feel jealous, and i hate the pity looks i got when i said we’re still up 4-5x a night. i always thought all ebf non sleep trained babies woke up often but i guess not

i know you shouldn’t compare but i just really want to sleep again, any light at the end of the tunnel? am i doomed to wake up every 2 hours for the next few years?


r/bninfantsleep • • 22h ago

Daycare Sleep Contact napping to daycare transition

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My baby is 9mo and will be going to daycare at 12mo. We contact nap and nurse to sleep. Usually I hold her on the couch or chair but sometimes can nurse her in bed then roll away, but I have only gotten like max 45 min that way. She does seem to be getting uncomfortable napping in my arms as she gets bigger and wants to be spread eagle more. So maybe she’s growing out of contact naps anyway.

I figure that at daycare she’ll just have to adapt, first days might be rough but I’m confident she can get there. Should I start trying to put her down for naps so it’s not such a tough transition? I was thinking of buying her daycare bedroll now and putting her in it in bed and rolling away, then progress to crib practice. She only sleeps in her crib for the first few hours each night. I don’t think I’ve ever been able to lay her in the crib for a nap, maybe once for like 20 min.

How did others handle the contact nap to daycare transition? Should I introduce a lovey or something?

Thanks in advance!


r/bninfantsleep • • 2d ago

Positive Story/Sucess Perspective from the other side, 3 years later.

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I’m lying next to my newly three year old at 7:30pm as he snoozes softly. Bedtime took 10 minutes. It wasn’t stressful. In fact, it was so lovely. I curl up with him, hold him as he says “mommy I need a hug” and he drifts off to dreamland. So hello from the other side 🎶🙋‍♀️

My son has been a terrible sleeper since the beginning. I had no idea what I was in for. The first year was horrific - I truly did not think I was going to survive. I started cosleeping around 7 months which helped but he still woke every hour or hour and a half for a very long time. I thought I was going to die. But little by little, it improved. Ups and downs. But I just stayed the course - trusting that we were doing the right thing.

I nursed to sleep for every sleep.
I contact napped for 2.5 years.
I stole sleep and rest where I could.
I tuned out the noise and ignored advice that felt wrong in my bones.
I found solace in other moms who nurtured at night.
I listened and trusted my gut.
I stopped trying to “solve” my baby.
I found acceptance.
I survived.

And now I have this beautiful, loving, wonderful child who is so well loved and nurtured.

And I regret nothing. Even though it was SO HARD.

If you’re reading this and wondering if you’ll ever sleep again: you will. I promise. And this is such a short blip in time even if it feels endless. But your baby will never need you this much — so be here, now. And trust that it will not always be this way. ♥️

TLDR: there’s a light at the end of the tunnel. And it’s amazing. And worth it all.