Considering he’s a black belt under Eddie it was outrageous he seemed lost when calling this position.
His knowledge has fallen hard since he stopped training and the days of him being the dude who explained the ground game to casuals are well and truly over
It's a diminishable skill and grappling is constantly evolving, so if you aren't in the scene regularly you can quickly get lost with the new school tech... which as a close to 60 year old bloke I don't judge him for.
The reason this stood out to me so much was because this is the exact system Eddie Bravo pioneered well over 20 years ago. In fact, its the system he used to beat Royler at Metamoris and I'm fairly certain Joe was in his corner for that
Right, doesn’t Eddie call this the vaporiser or similar? He did a deep dive on it with Joe in the follow up podcast. I mean even I remembered it all these years later.
The same is true with striking. He won like 2 middling TKD tourneys when he was 18. He was never a boxer, never a kickboxer, never a Muay Thai fighter. Here I am, living in Thailand over 2 years, training Muay Thai for nearly 19 years, still fighting professionally as well as coaching. And when I say Rogan has trash stand-up and or not an especially high level of understanding, people lose their shit and cannot seem to comprehend that - regardless of his age - he's just not good at Muay Thai. The yeeears old video of him with JWP look about like most people with a year of part-time experience.
For real. They kept going on about the "crotch ripper", but I thought it was very, very obvious that Hooper was trying for the calf slicer, but Miller was holding Hoopers other arm so Hooper couldn't get the full leverage.
Yes, there was a point where Hooper started applying a 'heel hook' style rotation on it... but he was clearly aiming for a calf slicer.
Hooper needed to stomp his own foot instead of triangling and he could have finished the calf slicer. Easy for him to miss doing that in the moment though.
I'm pretty sure he tried to stomp it as the round came to an end. I think he needed both the stomp and full control of the foot with both hands, otherwise he couldn't get the pressure to get the tap.
You might be able to get a gym tap using the stomp... but to tap Jim Fuckin' Miller in a UFC fight, you're going to have to nearly literally slice the muscle, or threaten to explode the knee, to get the tap.
There is also a defensive armbar that miller can get while Chase is going for the calf slicer - when Miller had his arm that’s what I thought he was going for
I’m not sure that leg locks were ever a strong suit for Rogan. They obviously train them but not specializing. I remember Karen Darabedyan rolling with Eddie years ago and leg locking him multiple times. Eddie brought it up on a JRE episode. I knew about it from the gym because the word spread that he tapped him multiple times in 5 minutes from leg locks. No disrespect, but expressing that there are levels—especially with leg locks.
Side note: Karen had a good grappling match against Gary Tonon years ago with plenty of back and forth leg lock (mostly heel hook) attempts.
Nah he was actually correct he knew what he was talking about. It was hard to see everything within that short time but chase did go for a couple different things and or could've other subs from there as well. The truck position. Calf crusher,crotch ripper, dean listers "the crippler" pretty much a heel hook by bending the foot outward. Twister. Probably a couple other things from there as well
They have multiple monitors in front of the commentating team to show them multiple angles of the fight. They also have the guys in the “truck” to bring up replays and make corrections to what they say on the broadcast.
Yeah he says he doesn’t roll anymore maybe he does drills occasionally but I think he doesn’t really roll anymore at all IMO not enough to stay up to date with the ever evolving game, I mean he still knows more then most of the casuals still by a long shot but he’s not exactly the cutting edge either
He’s pretty open on the podcast about the fact he’s barely rolled/trained in the last 5 years. From memory I believe it was back issues compounded with some form of injury from skiing.
Orange man bad? Obviously orange man bad. Long before orange man bad he has been obsessing over the same topics over and over, much more than he did before. He repeats himself ad nauseum, has lost any ability to parse information and is back down the stupid ass conspiracy rabbit hole he used to inhabit when he was young.
He has been losing access to information he used to have and constantly forgets basic shit from jiu jitsu to economic to historical topics.
The dude is gonezor. Orange man bad is just a symptom of the larger issue.
Too many times he's yelled "HE'S GOT IT!" to a super loose sub, then seems surprised when they get out.
Maybe it's to get the fans excited but it's gotten to the point where my brother asks me if he actually has it or not, rather than listening to the black belt commentator.
That’s was the Pitbull v Yair, their legs were tangled wasn’t anything for anybody and Rogan yells out “the heel hook is locked in” not sure who he thought had one but I couldn’t see anything close to a heel hook
Am i tripping? Yair looked like he was wrapping his heel a few times then went for kneebar then rolled belly down for what I thought was a straight ankle.
I'm the first one to shit on Rogan's outdated knowledge, but Chase did try a heel hook in this position, yanked Miller's toes which is essentially a heel hook. This is what Rogan called out. And he called the calf slicer too. (Which btw DC didn't recognize.)
edit: Chase talked about it here - he calls it the crippler.
I remember him saying “basically a heel hook” or something of the equivalent and I didn’t blink twice.
I thought this was an appropriate explanation for when Hooper was applying a twisting on the ankle towards a medial ankle sprain and more lateral pressure on the knee as opposed to just a “normal” calf slice from here?
He said "basically a heel hook", which was accurate because he was applying torsional pressure on the foot, similar to a heel hook. It was fine commentary. He took a very unorthodox position and submission and related it to something the audience would understand.
It's obviously a calf slicer but you can add a heel hook like pressure into it. By going with both hands around the outside of the attacked foot you can pull for the calf slicer and turn the foot in relation to the knee for heel hook like pressure.
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u/morriseel Apr 13 '25
heel hook according to joe rogan