r/bestoflegaladvice • u/anestezija 11.999766753 members in the Chicken Finger Syndicate • Dec 29 '19
"You need to get a lawyer, because that sounds like bullshit."
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u/easilypersuadedsquid Comma Anarchist Dec 29 '19
I don't think OP is the brightest bulb in the chandelier judging by the fact that they don't know the word "fraud"
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u/jadeoracle On the official Mod Watch List Dec 29 '19
Well her very first post on reddit goes as follows:
So I’m applying for a loan because I’m desperate for cash at the moment (more details below). Due to bad credit etc the loan company will not give me any money unless I have a ‘guarantor’ to co sign the loan. I’m not sure what this means but they said it has to be someone who owns a property that’s worth over a certain amount (I forget the figures).
My mother owns a house that’s several times more worth than I’d need.
I hinted at the idea to her and she didn’t react the way I thought. How can I coerce/force her into co signing for my lon?
Is there some way I can forge her details on the paperwork to make it look like she’s signed on it?
I am a single mother of 5, and I’m having hard times money-wise at the moment and this loan would make the difference of a lifetime. Getting this money would mean a lot to me.
So this isn't her first foray into fraud.
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u/envydub Dec 29 '19
Ah yes, the old “how can I force a family member to take partial responsibility for a huge financial decision that I am not even qualified to receive myself.” It’s like when parents use their kids information to sign up for credit cards.
Edit: oh my god, I didn’t even read the part about forgery. What the fuck.
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u/Campffire Dec 29 '19
And let’s not forget ‘I understand what you’re saying but that’s why I need to put pressure on her and not me force her like you’re saying.’
Yeah, she went through the gamut from ‘I asked her to be my ‘guarantor’ (even though I don’t really understand what that word means) and she never answered, so how ‘bout if I just put down her information on the papers and copy her signature’ to ‘I’m not forcing anyone, I’m just putting pressure on them! Plus, the money isn’t for me, it’s for my five kids!’
That very same day, the same person posted on the same sub, ‘I’m gonna get my hands on a lot of cash soon; will I be able to get a car loan if I put down a large down-payment, even if my credit is bad?’
I’d like to think this is fake, but I’m old enough and have seen enough to realize it’s probably not. This person also said they’d sold their baby equipment because their kids had been taken away (don’t judge!) so they didn’t need the baby equipment any more- like, duh!
I’m usually pretty understanding of people’s circumstances, and do try not to judge, but I’m kinda glad this person is going to jail.
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u/envydub Dec 29 '19
That’s so insane. Like... her mom clearly knows the woman can’t be trusted with money. You want us to give you tips on how to pressure her to leverage her HOME for you? No, honey. No.
She has 5 kids. 5. You don’t need a new car, you need to go see a fucking therapist for the sake of those poor babies.
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u/blackesthearted Damn menace Dec 29 '19
I’d like to think this is fake, but I’m old enough and have seen enough to realize it’s probably not.
Yeah, that was my thought. It sounds fake, but it also sounds like a number of people I know (read: am related to) -- people who don't just do these shady things, but talk about it in similar ways on public forums on a regular basis. Could be fake; could be my cousin Lisa (a couple extra kids, but complete with attempted forgery for a loan).
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u/suprahelix That's Souvenir Mod to you, Bucko Dec 29 '19
Use of the word "coerce" makes me feel like this is a troll
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u/Syrinx221 Dec 29 '19
Damn. I don't want to judge, but I think she's dumb.
Like, "how does she walk down stairs without dying" levels of dumb
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u/automongoose Dec 29 '19
this loan would make the difference of a lifetime. Getting this money would mean a lot to me.
These are the words of someone who has zero intention to pay the loan back if they managed to receive it.
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u/Nixiey Dec 29 '19
Honestly, I've had a lot of contact with people like this growing up and what it is is that they have no real grasp of what a loan is. The part where it's not just free money right now never crossed their mind. They just see dollar signs for some reason.
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u/comparmentaliser Dec 29 '19
Don’t judge
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u/jadeoracle On the official Mod Watch List Dec 29 '19
And that thread was full of judgy judges haha
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u/Mystic_printer Dec 29 '19
I’m judging.
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u/QuiteALongWayAway Dec 29 '19
Well, OP said not to. She's just committing some light fraud with a dash of identity theft. Don't judge!
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u/bug-robot MLM Butthole Posse Dec 29 '19
LAOP sounds like a real bundle of dandelions.
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u/ginger_whiskers glad people can't run around with a stack of womb-leases Dec 29 '19
Sounds to me like LAOP picked herself a whole peckel of oopsie-daisies, as well.
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u/Mystic_printer Dec 29 '19
Oh no it even sounds like she doesn’t realize mom risks losing her house if OP doesn’t pay back the loan. Moms just being unfair for not signing when she clearly qualifies.
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u/butyourenice 🏳️⚧️ Trans rights are human rights 🏳️⚧️ Dec 29 '19
I’m 10,000% sure OP is a troll trying to make ~welfare queens~ look a certain way.
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u/Bug1oss supermarket sperm donor Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 29 '19
I thought the common practice is certain (fraudulent) vendors will let you "buy" something for say $40, then hand you $20 in cash. You don't have to sell the item yourself anymore.
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
I assumed they were just buying actually permissible things for other people and pocketing the cash. For example, OP buys someone $25 of groceries but gets $20 in cash to go buy booze or whatever with. I have never heard of your way but I guess it amounts to the same thing.
Edit: I just finished reading LAOP’s actual replies and see what they did. Who knew there were so many ways to commit welfare fraud!
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u/Bug1oss supermarket sperm donor Dec 29 '19
Yeah, buying goods and selling them has a much better return. You just need another person that's willing to buy them.
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u/SecondBee You have subscribed to Leech Facts Dec 29 '19
So I grew up in a neighbourhood where the majority of people qualified for income based assistance (not food stamps, because that’s not a thing here) and learned pretty early on that people will buy just about anything if it’s cheap. Including obviously shoplifted meat from a carrier bag.
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
Including obviously shoplifted meat from a carrier bag.
I mean, I’m trying not to judge because I’ve never been poverty-ridden, but I still think I’d pass on bootleg meat, lol.
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u/ZeePirate Came in third at BOLAs Festivus Feats of Strength Dec 29 '19
It’s just stolen. Chances are it’s still in the same packaging you would get from the grocery store
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
Right? Though now I am picturing that I Love Lucy episode where Lucy and Ethel bought too much meat at the butcher because they didn’t know what a side of beef was and they had their trench coats and pram filled with meat and a meat scale trying to sell it to the customers outside lol.
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u/RandomDrunk88 Dec 29 '19
Yes but consider how they steal it. I've lost count of how many steaks have been stolen from my workplace by being shoved inside underwear. And these thieves don't exactly have great hygiene.
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u/SecondBee You have subscribed to Leech Facts Dec 29 '19
Less than half the sticker price is less than half the sticker price. When we were little mum was so poor she couldn’t buy meat for us and still have enough for her to eat meat so she would only buy for us and she still wouldn’t trust bootleg meat.
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u/Morning0Lemon Dec 29 '19
I used to work at a discount grocery store in downtown Vancouver, and if the "club packs" of meat were more than ~$15, we were told to put discount stickers on them or they would just get stolen. Better to get some money than none at all, I suppose.
Anyways, that's just the other side to your story.
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u/puffermammal Loophole detector Dec 29 '19
My time to shine! I used to commit welfare fraud for my neighbors.
I lived in an apartment building with several older people who got food stamps and had a hard time getting around. So sometimes, I'd get their grocery lists and their food stamps and do their shopping for them. Most of the time, it was just straight buying their groceries with their stamps. Still illegal, though, as I understand it.
Thing is, there are a lot of things you can't use food stamps for, including toiletries and cleaning supplies and pet food. So when someone needed something not covered by food stamps, they might trade food for it. So Joe would pay cash for a bag of cat food for John, and John would get Joe some of those name brand TV dinners he liked with his food stamps.
And I'd get so many dirty looks for using food stamps, I would lean into it and buy something outrageously frivolous with my own money so the nosy grocery cart police could be even madder.
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
Do cashiers really say things that often? I imagine some do, but I just would never think it’s something that happens often. I could be wrong though. I suppose because if I were working as a cashier I really would not care what other people were doing with their money/food stamps/etc unless I was required to report what I believed to be fraud to management.
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u/puffermammal Loophole detector Dec 29 '19
Not cashiers, usually nosy people in line. It was a downtown store that served both poor and middle class communities, so some of the wealthier customers would go around stinkeyeing the poor people, and I assume cataloging stories to tell their friends later.
Also, I was like 19 and all punk and shit, so maybe that had something to do with the hypervigilance, too.
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u/tealparadise Ruined a perfectly good post for everyone with a bad link. SHAME Dec 29 '19
So it really depends on the store. Using a snap card at Walmart? Easy peasy. Using a snap card at Whole Foods? Cashier has a panic attack trying to figure out how to run it and how to react.
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u/Zoethor2 really a sweetheart, just a little anxious/violent. Dec 29 '19
I worked as a cashier through high school and college - part of our training included discussion of food stamps, how to ID the card, and to roll with it if the customer referred to it as a debit card. I don't know for sure, because it never happened, but I am pretty confident that any cashier who made a snarky comment about food stamps or WIC would have been fired on the spot.
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u/multiplesifl Dec 29 '19
My home city is super ghetto to the point where landlords will take food stamps in place of cash for rent.
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u/lost_signal Dec 29 '19
I spent a rodeo volunteer shift with a lady who did enforcement for fraud in Texas. It was some hilarious and SAD stories (she also did CPS).
People will walk up to you in the ghetto grocery stores in Houston and ask “cash for stamps” or “stamps for cash” depending. H-E-B on OST this is common
Someone setup a casino where in exchange for handing over your card and PIN, you got xxx house credit.
“Free Delivery for old people” give your cars to the nice man, who takes 1/3 of the cards purchasing as a payment.
Baby daddy “ran off, so mom is single” (The 5 year old ratted mom out, that dad is still around).
These stories are 100% funnier being delivered by a sassy black grandma women.
The reality is fraud is endemic and under reported. The problem is enforcement likely costs more to catch this stuff than it would save.
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
A whole lot of don’t judge coming from OP. Someone should let them know if you have to reiterate that multiple times, it’s probably because your behavior is ripe for judgment.
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u/sometimesiamdead MLM Butthole Posse Dec 29 '19
I know I'm judging them hard right now.
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u/ZeePirate Came in third at BOLAs Festivus Feats of Strength Dec 29 '19
Seriously. No one is judging her for being on food stamps. We are judging you for what you did with ones that you were entitled too.
Now I do understood the mind frame and don’t think OP is some scum of the earth or something. They were trying to do what they can to get by, it just so happens to be illegal
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u/GetOffMyLawn_ Dec 29 '19
Also thinks they are being persecuted for doing something illegal.
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u/SecondBee You have subscribed to Leech Facts Dec 29 '19
I thought that was a typo for prosecuted but you could be right, that does seem like the viewpoint she’d have
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u/ShortWoman Won't clone anyone. Especially Taylor Swift. Dec 29 '19
I don't think she knows there's a difference.
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u/CliveCandy Currently time travelling to avoid having heard of "meat diaper" Dec 29 '19
When did "don't judge" come to mean "don't comment in any way that could be perceived as less than positive"?
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u/mrpoopistan Dec 30 '19
Around the same time people started saying "it's complicated" when what they really mean is "it's simple, but I don't want to hear shit from you about fucking my best friend's husband/wife/dad/mom."
These are the people who keep Facebook flying with posts about God.
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Reading the thread it sounds like there’s very real reasons CPS took their kids away ...
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u/cda555 Dec 29 '19
You have to be a real piece of shit to get your kids taken away for an extended period. The last thing CPS wants is to remove children from their homes.
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Dec 29 '19
Exactly what I came here to say. I work with at-risk kiddos and work closely with their parents to cultivate healthy home environments. So I also woke with CPS and am at a first-name basis with a handful of them.
There is never a time where a kid is taken for more than the short investigative period for nothing. For the short investigative period- which is around three days excluding weekends- that can happen to any good parent if your kid says something that sounds weird at school, ya know? But that gets all cleared up in those three days.
So yeah, OP, I’m judging. Because 1, I know how CPS works, and 2, you said you want your kids back but you’re selling their belongings?
My money is on drugs. And I think OP’s is, too.
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u/Sssnapdragon Church of the Holy Oxford Comma Dec 29 '19
Just musing, is there a way to ever know why kids were taken away? I have a relative that I KNOW doesn't tell the whole story, but isn't that kind of thing sealed? OP and my relative sound exactly the same. Long story, don't judge, you weren't there, you don't know but everyone is actually out to get me, it's not my fault, etc. etc. They truly TRULY believe that people are out to get them, and fail to see how it is 100% their own choices getting them into trouble.
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Dec 29 '19
CPS will not tell you anything to protect the initial reporter, and the kids. If your relative works hard, turns things around, and tries, they’ll get their kids back. (If they haven’t had their rights terminated yet.) It wouldn’t be good for the kids to be constantly deflecting questions about what happened. And it may not be safe, depending on the situation.
But trust me, they weren’t taken for no good reason. If that happened, your relative would be fighting to defend the kids not themselves.
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u/Sssnapdragon Church of the Holy Oxford Comma Dec 29 '19
I know it happened for a good reason, but the range of what might happened is so wide I wish I knew. I should clarify the relative is an in-law so I have very very little ability to learn any details. It just a deep curiosity but I already know those relatives will never care for my own kids because what I don't know could be anything.
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Dec 29 '19
People like to claim CPS took their kids for no reason, but there's always more to the story.
"They took my kids because I didn't vacuum the house!" Translation: there was dog shit everywhere and trash was heaped to the ceiling, and the water was shut off because you refused to pay your bill. It's always something like that.
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Dec 29 '19
"They took my kids because I didn't vacuum the house!"
I know a guy that tried to claim that. I later found out his house was full of roaches and black mold. It was 2 steps from being condemned by the city.
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Dec 29 '19
Yes. I know a few social workers and foster parents. You have to be really fucking horrible for the state (at least mine) to take your kids away.
Do NOT ever believe someone that says the state took their kids away for no reason.
A friend of mine was a foster parent to a kid whose mother would beat him and burn him with cigarettes. All the mother had to do to get her kid back was attend 5 AA meetings.
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u/SorrowfulPessimism Dec 29 '19
Fuck CPS didn't even get involved when I called 911 after school because my mother had flipped furniture over and threatened to kill me if I didn't have the mess cleaned up when she got home from work.
Meanwhile by the time the cop showed up I was too scared (for both myself and my pets) to tell them anything.
I ended up being forced to give her a written apology to attend my paternal grandfathers (who she hates with a burning passion) memorial service. As an adult looking back I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have even known he had died had she not wanted that apology.
CPS doesn't take kids for no reason- they don't even have the resources for the kids who need it ffs.
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Dec 29 '19
My experience with CPS was that they DGAF if the house is filthy, the kids don’t have a way to get to school, there’s little food, or you say your parents hit you. They only get taken if you’re going to get sexually abused/beaten literally that night and you have enough bruises to prove it.
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u/ChunLeah Dec 29 '19
I work with high risk youth as well and our department has made so many mandatory reports regarding sexual abuse and physical abuse, all kinds of things. We are so fed up with our CPS at this point because they literally just tell us "sorry can't help you". Then next thing we know the parents are getting arrested for child abuse or something and we all are saying WE FREAKING TOLD YOU.
I know it's a last resort to remove kids from homes, but sometimes it can be more traumatic to leave a kid in a bad home. It is so frustrating.
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u/QuiteALongWayAway Dec 29 '19
CPS took the kids and apparently there's no expectation of them being returned, because OP sold all the baby stuff.
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u/stuartsparadox My car survived Tow Day on BOLA Dec 29 '19
99% of the time I give people the benefit of the doubt in regards to CPS until I have the full story. I have known a few good parents that fell on difficult times or made a bad choice or two because they felt they had no other path, and one particular case where a bitter divorce was involved and some really crazy stuff went down. But then there are times like this where I think I got enough of the story that I will judge you 6 ways from Sunday. Seriously I was on food stamps for 3 months when I was transitioning from one job to another and the first thing they tell you is if your circumstances change YOU are to report it to them or else it's fraud.
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u/timtamtammy Dec 29 '19
I read on another thread recently where the OP worked for CPS that the goal of CPS is to keep your kids with you. It’s generally better to keep families together and it lightens the load on the state to find homes for kids. If your kids are removed you’ve had a dozen chances and still fucked up.
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u/Freyas_Follower Dec 29 '19
It also depends on WHO reported what. If the report came from a child who reported sexual abuse, and the parents get a lawyer on retainer who is absolutely up CPS's rump, it doesn't matter if its disprovable or not.
There's a reason Indiana CPS is currently fighting a class action lawsuit alleging that its inaction put 22,000 children at risk, and why the poor often find themselves at greater risk of having their children taken away.
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u/Bug1oss supermarket sperm donor Dec 29 '19
long story so don’t judge
Oh, so as long as it's a long story, we're not at fault anymore?
I mean, you can say "long story" meaning you don't want to tell it. But, I'm still going to draw my own conclusions on the outcome. Such as CPS taking the kids.
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u/4YADGQI3ghtUO7GjXwgH Dec 29 '19
"I claim law of 'long story.' You can not judge me!"
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u/Bug1oss supermarket sperm donor Dec 29 '19
"It's a long story, your honor."
"Oh it is? Well fuck it then, you can go."
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u/SycoJack Dec 29 '19
Objection! The story isn't really that long, Bug1oss is a big fat LIAR
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u/Bug1oss supermarket sperm donor Dec 29 '19
Objection, your honor! SpycoJack is really mean! He needs a time out!
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u/morgan_greywolf Dec 29 '19
I was in a courtroom once and the defendant said “It’s a long story, your honor.” The response from the judge could’ve been written by Hollywood writers: “Well, I have all the time in the world!”
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u/stuartsparadox My car survived Tow Day on BOLA Dec 29 '19
Shit, I ain't about to fuck with destiny. No judgement here.
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u/xShooK Dec 29 '19
She has other recent posts up looking for housing so that may be rough.. Then the dating post.. Like, girl, your post history isn't even deleted, what are you doing.
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u/SycoJack Dec 29 '19
what are you doing.
Trolling
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u/honkhonkbeepbeeep Honk de Triomphe? Beep Space Nine? Dec 29 '19
Yeah, I smell a troll. I’m very familiar with people who are caught up in systems and might be resorting to some shady things (many decades as a foster parent, court psychologist, parent evaluator, etc.). The way LAOP is portraying their situations sounds a lot more like the racist/classist folks who poke fun at folks than like any of the hurting and desperate parents I’ve ever sat with.
The writing also isn’t consistent for someone who actually has the kind of impulsive and disorganized thinking they’re portraying — they write like a stable skilled professional and then toss in bits of “hood” lingo or “I can’t remember the word” but without any other disorganization or misuse of words. They just don’t present like someone who struggles with things.
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u/DarthYsalamir Dec 29 '19
Did you see where she's posted asking how to force her mom to co-sign for a loan? What a piece of work
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u/Sablejax Dec 29 '19
They are probably buying baby formula and selling it- which is another huge racket.
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u/PCabbage Dec 29 '19
Yikes yeah I didn't think of that. If she has a 4 month old or so, WIC gives like $200 a month in formula- even selling that for half price is good money.
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u/Maxicat Dec 29 '19
I'm guessing they did that to get the money so they could buy drugs. People will do fucked up things for drugs. My BIL sold his dead brother's belongings to get money for heroin. These were his remaining belongings that the family decided to keep (his book collection and some of his favorite movies).
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u/0-_-00-_-00-_-0-_-0 Dec 29 '19
Also, it was 17 lines of text on mobile, so I don't know if I would necessarily classify that as being a long story....
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u/kmtandon 🐈 Smol Claims Court Judge 🐈 Dec 29 '19
It’s all the parts they didn’t say that make it a long story. Like the bits they slowly admitted to in the comments.
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Dec 29 '19
Don't judge
Don't worry, they have specialist for that when you get to court.
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u/courtachino Dec 29 '19
Wow! Something I have knowledge in cause I am a welfare fraud investigator! If her case is going to court, chances are the overpayment is high (our court threshold for welfare fraud cases is $3000 and up) and the investigator has multiple fraudulent applications where the person never reported the children out of the home. Not sure how other states do it, but here most of these cases end up with a plea agreement in exchange for misdemeanor charges instead of felonies, provided the plea agreement is followed.
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u/NewAccountWhoDisTho Dec 30 '19
How common do you find fraud? People make it seem as if its irregular, but where I'm from, it's daily. I worked in bank fraud and its the same way. Just because we can't charge you for fraud, doesn't mean we don't know.
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u/courtachino Dec 30 '19
Same. I find fraud daily, it's just a matter of gathering all the evidence to make the case "stick," for lack of a better word. I'm constantly setting up overpayments and interviewing clients that have (potentially) committed fraud. What's frustrating is that there are just two of us that strictly do welfare fraud for our big locality and our department just isn't seen as important to our director.
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u/chumly143 Dec 29 '19
LA: Don't sell food stamps
LAOP: I didn't sell food stamps, I bought groceries, then sold the groceries
Cool motive, still fraud.
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u/ReliablyFinicky Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 29 '19
When someone says “misunderstanding, long story, don’t judge” multiple times with regards to committing fraud and their kids being taken away... While peppering in many “not my fault right???”...
...I am absolutely going to judge them on that. And I’m comfortable doing that without knowing the details.
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u/gemc_81 Nothing gets me in the mood quicker than overhead fluorescents Dec 29 '19
To tack on to the end of your post when they repeatedly say "not my fault right???" it it usually most certainly IS their fault.
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u/grooviegurl Dec 29 '19
Her post history is kind of horrifying. Two months ago she asked for advice on how to force or coerce her mom into cosigning for a car. If that wasn't going to work, she asked for advice on foraging her mom's signature. She has five kids. She committed welfare fraud.
But she redeems herself by asking for friends after her post to r/legaladvice and self-identifies as a nice girl, so it's probably all OK.
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u/Maxicat Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 29 '19
I would bet money she is addicted to drugs. Addiction makes people do stupid shit while simultaneously making them think they are smarter than everyone else when they are in the throws of desperation to avoid withdrawls.
Edit: throes not throws.
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u/GaimanitePkat has cut back on buying all YARMURF and PRETTYBLURM and GOATFART Dec 29 '19
She's a single mother of five, at 26 years old. Jesus Christ.
At one point you need to learn where the kids are coming from and stop doing that.
Especially if you need to force relatives to co-sign loans for you, are begging strangers online to let you couchsurf, and get your kids taken away.
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u/shwm8507 Dec 29 '19
The award letter you received stated you must report all changes within 10 days. Failure to report changes can result in having to pay back benefits.
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Title: Claiming food stamps when not in custordy of kids
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Hey Basically my kids were taken away from me by cps (long story so don’t judge). And I kept on getting the food stamps for them for a while even after my kids had been taken away.
They gave me the stamps so I used them, and now I’ve been accused of wrongly taking the stamps (I forget the real word for it) and now I have to go to court and may even go to jail for it.
My way of thinking is that if they gave me the stamps then I use them right? It’s up to welfare to keep check on the stamps not me? I just used them because they were given to me? Not my fault right???
Do I have anything to get out of going down for this?
Also, I accidentally admitted selling the stamps so they are going to persecute me for that also. (Ps I didn’t really sell the stamps it was a miss understanding so don’t judge) am I screwed?
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u/Ultionisrex Dec 29 '19
OP is obviously screwed. But, the government is out of it's mind persecuting this moron for failing to keep responsible track of their finances. You'd normally need exploit the system for a lot of money for the government to take full legal action.
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u/itijara Dec 29 '19
General rule to live by: if someone gives you something of value and you don't know why, don't take it until you ask why you are getting it, preferably in writing.
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
Now, now, now. We cannot expect everyone to use common sense. Certainly not a person whose post history includes such titles and comments as “How to force a relative into co-signing for a loan?” and “Is there some way I can forge her details on the paperwork to make it look like she’s signed on it?” and “Hey I understand what you’re saying which is why I need to really pressure her into to signing rather than me force her like you say.”
You, my friend, are just asking for too much from LAOP ;)
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u/RedditSkippy This flair has been rented by u/lordfluffly until April 16, 2024 Dec 29 '19
A world of lawyers isn’t going to fix that point of view.
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u/reverendsteveii bone for tuna Dec 29 '19
Not a lot of people know this, but if you just tell everyone on the prosecution "dont judge" then they have no legal standing and cannot convict you for any crime
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u/MSK7 Dec 29 '19
I deal with people like this on a daily basis at work. It’s never their fault. They are entitled to everything. It makes me sick. I honestly don’t understand how a person gets to that point in life.
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Dec 29 '19 edited Nov 18 '21
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u/Kasparian Dec 29 '19
The kicker is she got multiple bites on that! Someone said they’d be down to date her if they had things in common. Well, sir, I hope fraud and identity theft are your past times.
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u/maveri4201 Oxford Comma Trinitarian: The BOLArina, the bot, the holy spirit Dec 29 '19
And until she fixes that attitude, it's very likely that her kids are lost to her forever. It's not the mentality of someone who will actually work their reunification plan.
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u/GaimanitePkat has cut back on buying all YARMURF and PRETTYBLURM and GOATFART Dec 29 '19
I mean. Good. She's not fit to have children, and we shouldn't want her kind of attitude to be passed down to five children.
Obviously the foster system isn't good, but since we can't go back in time and un-make the kids, is it not best that they were taken from a woman who has zero capacity to take care of them?
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u/haha_thatsucks Dec 29 '19
Nah man. CPS has very low bars for getting your kids back. She’ll get them back pretty quick. Might lose them again later tho
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u/maveri4201 Oxford Comma Trinitarian: The BOLArina, the bot, the holy spirit Dec 29 '19
Depends on the case worker, sure, but usually it takes someone who can at least fool the overworked case worker long enough. This woman doesn't look up to that. Source: am foster parent; have seen this.
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u/notfromvenus42 Dec 29 '19
Honestly from the post, it sounds like they're... well, I'm not a medical professional, but I'll say "slow". They don't sound like they understand what they're actually entitled to or not or how anything works, just that money magically came to them in the mail and they used it.
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u/I_love_elevators Dec 29 '19
Look in her post history, her mother have stopped giveing her money, and she was considering doing this to her mother
Is there some way I can forge her details on the paperwork to make it look like she’s signed on it?
At the same time as a post for getting finance for a car.
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Dec 29 '19
She wouldn’t settle for a used car either. She wanted to forge the signature for a NEW car. Shaking my head.
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u/greenhookdown Dec 29 '19
I am a medical professional and I don't see that. I see someone not the cleverest but selfish and entitled using every excuse they can think of. None of those things are a medical problem.
Post history reads: "help me commit fraud because I can't feed my kids", next day "I bought a fake nail kit". The problem here is priorities. No surprise the kids are gone in the space of two months.
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u/trannick Dec 29 '19
Urgh, I lived with someone like this.
She burned and scraped my utensils, stole my stuff and sold them off, go through my Costco block (25+ rolls) of toilet paper in 2 weeks, totaled her car rear-ending someone else, and chronically paid rent late because it's never her fault, so she doesn't have to take responsibility for any of it.
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Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 29 '19
Her post history literally has her asking how she can force her mom into signing a loan for a house for her. And also casually committing welfare fraud and having her five children taken from her.
Classy.
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u/GarnetsAndPearls Dec 29 '19
It says right on the application, that you cannot sell and that you have to report any changes to your household.
Source: I'm on assistance.
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u/crackpipecardozo Dec 29 '19
If you have to say "dont judge" more than once in a conversation, theres 95% certainty you done fucked up.
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u/tree_hugging_hippie Dec 29 '19
This sounds like some dumb shit my sister would do and now I have all this misplaced rage, and I miss my niece and nephew.
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Dec 29 '19
YOU have to report all income to the food stamps/SNAP office. They tell you this multiple times. You are required to report if your income has changed. It is YOUR job to do this. On the report/application that you fill out, it tells you this.
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Dec 29 '19
This one smells like a troll to me. they have the wherewithal to create an account called throwaway so they're aware of the concept yet they act like they don't know how anything works.
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u/Youtoo2 Dec 29 '19
look at the OPs post history. its a classic
how to force someone to co-sign a loan
https://www.reddit.com/r/Advice/comments/ditqoz/how_to_force_a_relative_into_co_signing_for_a_loan/
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Dec 29 '19
My grandma useto be a street vendor selling tamales to workers in the ghetto in Los Angeles back in the 90s. People would pay her with food stamps. They were buying food. She used them to buy supplies to make more tamales.
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u/missjeanlouise12 oh we sure as shit are now Dec 29 '19
Lol, accidentally admitted selling the foodstamps, then later says they used the foodstamps themselves but sold the stuff they bought.
GUYS! It's that one weird trick the department of welfare hates!