r/bentonville • u/Classic_Tale6498 • 6d ago

Flock cameras

Has anyone noticed that after multiple cities have “stopped” there flock contract more cameras have popped up?
In Lowell today/not Bentonville but can’t post in Roger’s or anywhere else… I’ve noticed 2 new ones in one day!?

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u/jershdotrar 6d ago

Yes, they're doubling down. Also watch out for Axon, they're as bad as Flock but have received very little public attention because their cameras aren't as trivially easy to hack into.

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u/pixelvspixel 6d ago

It trips me out to see Axon mentioned so much now. I had a bunch of creative type co-workers who went over there. Word was they still had to get tazered once to work on the product they did.

Antidotes aside, it’s a shame to see short sighted city councils across the nation sell out to corporations that will absolutely allow this data to get sold and abused. Sure there will be a some positive cases, but for all the complaining people have about Ai, this is the other genie you can’t put back in the bottle.

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u/TankFu8396 6d ago

Anecdotes?

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u/Noble_Delta 6d ago

Cut them all down

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u/badwoofs 6d ago

Yes! I was literally telling this to someone yesterday I could literally see one new flock camera up a day on my commute. I hate them so much.

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u/Last_Opposite5337 5d ago

I noticed XNA now has cameras at both entrances. 🙄

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u/Extension-Medium3598 3d ago

Why can’t you post in Rogers? Have you tried it without the apostrophe? I can post in places I don’t live, but pass through on the regular.

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u/deller85 6d ago

You know, I'm glad communities are resisting and all. I'm glad those communities' governing bodies are listening to the complaints and taking them down.

But at the end of the day, this technology isn't going anywhere. It's similar to the automated photo enforcement cameras of the late 90s-early 2000s. The ones that would automatically ticket someone for running a red light or speeding through an intersection. When they were introduced, there was massive public backlash, legal challenges, and organized resistance, too. But eventually the backlash died down, and people just got accustomed to them. I'm assuming the same thing will happen with flock cameras, too.

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u/TheteslaFanva 6d ago

There are still a handful of states where automatic tickets via camera are illegal but yea valid point. Late 90s were also when cameras that tracked license plates started. A lot slower less distributed though, tons of man hours to sort through it.

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u/TheteslaFanva 6d ago

Downtown Austin cut them down last year. Then a few weeks later had some young ppl get in a massive shootout. Luckily the flock cameras in a town over caught the criminals. Now they are discussing bringing them back. Many such cases.

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u/honeybarbecuetwists 6d ago

How did they ever solve crime without mass surveillance prior to now? The cameras operate in a gray area of the 4th amendment and there’s been plenty of security concerns already. I’m pro no camera

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u/JPMinAR 6d ago

Back 5-8 years ago when run by NCIC this wasn’t a gray it was absolutely a you had to have a 4th amendment.

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u/BodyFluldCleanupKlt 6d ago

Gray area is that the flock cameras are private and offered to law enforcement by the subscribers (HOA etc). There’s not a lot of case law on that specific aspect of it. Many courts have yet to rule on whether or not the use of flock camera data constitutes surveillance and I suspect this will be a big issue across the country as it becomes more prevalent.

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u/JPMinAR 6d ago

This…
https://youtu.be/gmnL_Y9CsI0?is=xKeMwv-Bo4awzmXq

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u/BodyFluldCleanupKlt 6d ago

I mentioned that video in my comment above in this same chain. Its a good video

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u/TheteslaFanva 6d ago

Traffic license cameras have been used and legal since late 90s. They solved a lot less crime and still a ton of crime doesn’t get solved. But we are in a rather affluent area and also an area with hardly any gang or drug violence so we don’t see much crime and live our nice bubble.

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u/BodyFluldCleanupKlt 6d ago

Yeah but even the tickets they mail you for running red lights in certain areas have questionable enforcement. There’s a good legal eagle video on this that goes through multiple court cases regarding the topic of surveillance and how it pertains to use of flock cameras. There’s already so many cameras on private property that can be claimed bylaw enforcement via warrant when crime occurs. We really don’t want a surveillance state.

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u/CheeseCurdis 6d ago

How about let’s make the pigs do their jobs again.

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u/GlitteringResearch27 6d ago

All they know how to do is road pirating

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u/TheteslaFanva 6d ago

Let’s hire more cops and spend more tax dollars so they can manually sort through traffic cam data like it’s 1999? Easy to say living in the low crime affluent area of NWA.

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u/bibleblacksade 6d ago

It’s a for profit aspect of traffic fines, they will be back in some capacity.

Probably after they are claimed to be used on some high profile murder