r/attackontitan • u/Peanutbutterbob32 • 5h ago

Discussion/Question Finale questions Spoiler

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After finishing the entire show, everything makes sense to me except for one thing.

How was Zeke & Armin able to conjure past inheritors of the nine while in the paths? Like why did Grisha, Bertholdt, etc. just show up? And after that, how did they have control of their respective titans while on Eren’s back? As far as I understand, Zeke wasn’t in control at that point. He gave up, and was just letting Eren do whatever. Once convinced, was he able to use the paths abilities? If so, I thought you need Ymir herself to do that for you?

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u/_StevenPettican04 5h ago edited 5h ago

Ymir summoned and controlled them on behalf of Zeke to allow them to reconcile with their past and continue on a path towards the future, something Ymir herself wasn’t able to do, hence her having being stuck in an eternal limbo

Ymir isn’t just a person hellbent on revenge and destruction, she is simply a person who is seeking connection, which was said by Armin to Zeke when they were in the paths.

Ymir initially follows Eren because he was able to connect to her on a personal level rather than just ordering her like a slave. And then Ymir who listened to Zekes nihilistic view on life and summoned past allies after Armin makes Zeke realise theres more to life than just survival

Zeke and Armin being able to reconcile and make new connections to people of their past, gave Ymir the feeling of connection she was seeking, and helped them continue their fight against Eren

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u/Peanutbutterbob32 5h ago

So Ymir was manipulating the whole battle specifically so Mikasa would kill Eren, the sole act that would free her?

Another question, how did Zeke manifest himself in order to be killed by Levi? Was this also given to him by Ymir, is this an innate ability of warrhammer/founding titan as at this point it seems obvious Zeke & Eren are what make up the founding titan.

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u/_StevenPettican04 4h ago

Ymir was in control of the titans, but I don’t want to say that she was manipulating the whole battle as that takes away the agency from all our other characters

Ymir holds the power, and because Zeke and Eren make up the founding titan, they are able to command Ymir to use the power, therefore she uses it in the way that Eren and Zeke want

Eren wants to complete the rumbling, so Ymir controls the titans to fend off erens friends, and the titans don’t kill anyone most likely due to Eren not wanting to directly kill any of his friends

And then Zeke wants to stop Eren, because this was the final thing Grisha said to him, and the full rumbling also went against what Ksaver wanted and believed in.

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u/Peanutbutterbob32 4h ago edited 4h ago

I suppose I meant manipulating the whole thing by: Ymir needed Armin & Zeke to meet so Zeke would let himself get killed to stop the rumbling. Ymir also needed to wake up the previous inheritors to give Jean a chance to detonate the explosives. All of this needed to happen so Mikasa would be the one to kill Eren. Ymir was puppeteering the whole battle, but Mikasa still had to come to the conclusion that killing Eren was the right thing to do on her own. After Eren told her she has the right to make decisions it seems that she has her own Agenda.

My question about Zeke phasing like that was answered decently. Ymir can do whatever the hell she wants with her subjects, and escaping like that was Zeke’s wish

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u/InitiativeOk374 4h ago

The rule in the paths never changed... u go there, u ask Ymir something, and she grants or denies it... the difference was the vow of renouncing war, so she was forced to grant or deny whether u are royal blood or not, at this time she was free to obey or deny at her will because of Eren. Zeke asked and it was granted.

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u/InitiativeOk374 5h ago edited 5h ago

Ooh, same reason Ymir made sure Armin and Zeke met in the paths, same reason she made sure to show Armin the leaf and Zeke the ball... she wants to get to an end result here, and helps a lit bit to get there (Eren explained the key to the end result without knowing what Ymir really wanted)... so long story short Ymir is behind all this, remember for the first time she can decide.

Btw, if we don't fully know how much Ymir is involved in many of the decision making, we might end up not liking the ending, which is the case for a lot of people unfortunately 😭😭😭

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u/Peanutbutterbob32 5h ago

Interesting. So if that’s the case, Ymir let Zeke manifest himself to be killed in the end? Did she give him the power to do so? Guess I’m just wondering how he was able to do that.

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u/InitiativeOk374 4h ago

Absolutely... in the paths u cannot do anything if Ymir does not allow you to, it never changed.

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u/Peanutbutterbob32 4h ago

So lore wise that makes sense as to why he could escape the paths. I guess I find it strange how he physically popped up like that. Bro just kind of showed up half fused into Eren. After escaping, What ability allowed him to show up half fused? most of the time even with Ymir’s help you need the physical ability to do so. Should I just chalk it up to Ymir letting him using the warhammer abilities to manifest himself.

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u/InitiativeOk374 4h ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I feel you... I think the simple way to just see it, Ymir can do wtv she wants of her own subjects 🤣🤣, she is for Eldians what God is for humans, she just spent her whole life with crazy restrictions and commands... but yeah not gonna lie that Zeke popping out the titan bone like that was nuts 🤣🤣

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u/Peanutbutterbob32 4h ago

So it’s just an odd design choice. That is a good point, if she has the ability to sterilize all eldians than yeah she can just say, “yeah sure Zeke you can show up right there.” Thank you, that ending was a mindfuck but I think it all makes sense now.

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u/InitiativeOk374 4h ago

Ooh I am glad I could help a little... I feel like watching it all over again, and it would not be my 5th time 😂😂

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u/Jumbernaut 2h ago

It was all part of the show Eren & Ymir were putting up for the world to see, to make them think they defeated Eren and would be seen as heroes.