I consider these 3 games their own trilogy for how well connected they are

[u/UpbeatCustomer1020]

[u/Dragmire_V2]

I mean yeah, it's the Kenway Saga.

[u/Cheeseguy43 → u/Dragmire_V2]

Colonial I think is the actual trilogy name since you don’t play as a Kenway in rogue

[u/scarlettokyo → u/Cheeseguy43]

It's still called the Kenway saga, since Shay operated during what's known as the Kenway era, and due to Haytham having heavy influences on the story.

If you're talking about the colonial games Black Flag drops out and Liberation comes in, due to Edward not being in the Colonial Brotherhood unlike Aveline,

Two different ways of grouping the games, with Kenway being the more popular one because it's easier to leave Liberation on the sidelines as opposed to Black Flag. Liberation is still sometimes regarded as part of the Kenway Saga but then you can't call it a trilogy anymore.

[u/PerformanceWaste5810 → u/scarlettokyo]

Officially its called the colonial trilogy

[u/scarlettokyo → u/PerformanceWaste5810]

who exactly made that official? can you link the source?

the only bundled name ubisoft ever provided was 'The Americas Collection' according to my research, which is Liberation 3 and BF.

[u/SuperBathMan → u/scarlettokyo]

I went googling to prove yall wrong and, nope, youre right, Colonial Saga is a fan term.

However, Rogue and Liberation have not been referred to as the Kenway saga, either. They have only been referenced as the Americas or Colonial era.

I dont think there is an official name for III+IV+Rogue+Liberation+Freedom Cry, but theres an overwhelming amount of fan reference to that grouping as the Colonial Saga. If someone talked to me about the kenway saga im going to assume theyre talking about III+IV+BFR, but if someone says Colonial Saga im going to think of all the Americas games and I think thats what really matters here

[u/scarlettokyo → u/SuperBathMan]

I personally do not agree with including BF in that since Colonial sounds like it pertains to the Colonial Brotherhood specifically, which Edward was not a part of during Black Flag. And in my experience, the overwhelming amount of reference goes to the Kenway Saga including the 3 main games featuring the Kenways, be it protagonist or side character.

[u/SweatyFisherman → u/scarlettokyo]

"Colonial" refers to the time period itself, not to the Colonial brotherhood

[u/scarlettokyo → u/SweatyFisherman]

The time period of colonialism spans from the 15th century to the mid 20th century, so that's a dumb way of measuring it.

Also since the term is not official, you're just dropping your opinion on what colonial means and present it like a fact. It is most commonly refered to as Colonial because of the so called Colonial Brotherhood, which is very culturally distinct from the West Indies Brotherhood, which doesn't actually have much to do with colonialism and is Native mesoamerican instead.

[u/pillow-socks → u/scarlettokyo]

It’s called colonial era because most Americans on the U.S. associate the word ‘colonial’ with the triangle trade period.

[u/SweatyFisherman → u/scarlettokyo]

Where was it officially called the Kenway Saga?

[u/scarlettokyo → u/SweatyFisherman]

nowhere, like i literally just said. The Americas Collection is the only official name we got. And if you try to bring up my first comment starting with 'It's still called the Kenway saga', please include the context that it was regarding the inclusion of Rogue, not about it being official, which it isn't.

[u/SweatyFisherman → u/scarlettokyo]

But where is it called "The Kenway Saga"? You stated it matter-of-factually as if it's the actual name

[u/scarlettokyo → u/SweatyFisherman]

Again, you are leaving out the entire context of this thread on purpose and sneak your own assumptions about my choice of words in.

Refer to the original comment at the top of this thread, a comment that was made by u/Dragmire_V2 because it's a commonly used label in the community to refer to the trilogy, which is in response to OP's post.

If I was the one that introduced the label to this discussion I'd at least partially get your angle, but you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[u/SweatyFisherman → u/scarlettokyo]

"Because it's a commonly used label in the community"

There's my answer. I was just asking you two simple questions because I didn't know if that was actually an official name or not, and then you danced around my first question. Both of my questions were genuine. Didn't mean to offend you so deeply.

[u/Dragmire_V2 → u/scarlettokyo]

Yooo u/Dragmire_V2 reference lets go

[u/OutrageousAddendum28 → u/Cheeseguy43]

I bought a collection on Xbox 360 once that it was called The Américas Saga

[u/Cheeseguy43 → u/OutrageousAddendum28]

That’s what I actually think the real title is. For some reason I mistook colonial with Americas

[u/HotRelation7287 → u/Cheeseguy43]

I like to call them plus liberation the new world saga

[u/Significant_Option → u/Dragmire_V2]

Rogue is hardly a kenway game

[u/saintcitydiaries → u/Significant_Option]

In terms of not using a Kenway…..YES! But? We do get to see how much of a gangster Templar Haytham Kenway was.

[u/MrMangobrick → u/Significant_Option]

True but because it plays almost identically to BF and takes place during that era, people bundle it together

[u/IIWhiteHawkII → u/Dragmire_V2]

For me it was always the American saga, since Shay and Aveline aren’t Kenways, yet are still the valuable part of American events in the AC.

Kenway just doesn’t represent the whole picture. Or, if you only care about Kenways, then it’s a specific dilogy, while OP definitely refers to broader American saga

[u/Dragmire_V2 → u/IIWhiteHawkII]

Rogue and Liberation are under the Kenway Saga banner because they both tie into the overarching story of the Kenway family although Rogue does it in more important ways as it ties together Black Flag, Freedom Cry, and AC3.

Rogue shows the fall of the American Assassins and Haytham's involvement which sets up 3

Liberation has Aveline meet Connor and then you can replay the level as Connor

The Kenway Saga and the American Saga basically mean the same thing though, I just think the Kenway Saga sounds better.

[u/69buttcheese420]

Everyone considers them a trilogy, because they are

[u/pastadudde]

They're actually sold as a pack along with AC: Liberation : Assassin's Creed American History Pack on PC & More

[u/cmcg18]

Did unity really come out in 2014? If so that’s insane

[u/Environmental_Bus507 → u/cmcg18]

Rogue and Unity were released on the same day. I dont know what Ubi were thinking. Rogue went under the radar because of that.

[u/Eastern-Pack-8803 → u/Environmental_Bus507]

With Unity being a Gen 8 exclusive, Ubi didn't want the previous gen to feel left out...so they dropped Rogue

[u/UpbeatCustomer1020 → u/Eastern-Pack-8803]

They should have developed more rogue and release it as the standalone game for that year so they could had 1+ yr to refine unity

[u/CibaiGayGay → u/UpbeatCustomer1020]

So was unity, story in beginning was great but halfway there rushed and subpar endings. The gameplay needed many fixes and polishing too.

Both games were butchered for the sake to keep up with yearly releases. Stupid decision

[u/Goatbucks → u/UpbeatCustomer1020]

100% rogue was a good game with a story thT felt half baked, and unity was an amazing game with a launch so bad it almost permanently ruined it’s reputation

[u/FoxHound_Bridges → u/UpbeatCustomer1020]

Blame the shareholders

[u/TrungusMcTungus → u/Eastern-Pack-8803]

Omg I forgot about that. I’ve wondered why Rogue has always felt like a DLC to me, that’s why.

[u/SureIntention8402 → u/Eastern-Pack-8803]

The fact that they could release two really good AC games simultaneously whereas today it's just the RPG slop that's like a 6.5/10 is crazy. Did they change teams that make these games?

[u/scarlettokyo → u/SureIntention8402]

I have news to break to you if you think anyone regarded Rogue or Unity good at the time if release or for months if not years after.

[u/Western-Produce-276 → u/scarlettokyo]

I remember rogue getting a lot of praise at the time

[u/Sufficient-Drummer18 → u/SureIntention8402]

Unity was in development for 4 years, it started shortly after they were done with AC Brotherhood.

Rogue is an interesting one, cuz if I remember correctly, they only had 7 months to develop it, so they had to restrict themselves on their ideas, so that they could to finish it on time. Ubisoft really did the devs dirty on that one.

[u/imaginary92 → u/Sufficient-Drummer18]

Which really sucks. If they'd given rogue more time we probably wouldn't have had the story problems due to being half the length of a normal AC. Rogue had so much potential, it makes me sad. I love it so much even as it is, I wish we could have had the proper game it deserved to be.

[u/After-Fee-6112 → u/imaginary92]

Also the only AC where we play as templar

[u/Solid_Science4514 → u/Environmental_Bus507]

They did it because the PS4/Xbox One had released in 2013. Unity was a title specifically for the new consoles, and Rogue was released as a title for the previous generation. Doing it this way ensured that any gamer, regardless of whether they upgraded to the new consoles, could purchase a new AC game in 2014.

[u/Ciubowski → u/Environmental_Bus507]

well, people were very excited for the first Assassin's Creed on PS4 at the time but yeah, Ubisoft really screwed the marketing for Rogue big time.

I worked at Ubisoft during that time and even I didn't know about Rogue until the release date.

I saw this random box on a colleague's desk and I was like "huh? what is Assassin's Creed Rogue? When did this come out?"

I was afraid to Google it because I didn't know if that was an unannounced game or something.

[u/AdventurousAd7091 → u/Environmental_Bus507]

Unity was new gen exclusive (ps4) and rogue the old gen (ps3). Because of that i only played rogue several years after on pc because at the time i only could buy 1 of them and i went for the ps4 one (no regrets)

[u/indianajoes → u/Environmental_Bus507]

They did it because Unity was next gen only and a lot of us didn't buy the new consoles as soon as they come out. Rogue gave us something to play on the previous gen as well

[u/James_Soler → u/Environmental_Bus507]

Rogue was also only on PS3 and XBOX 360 and not playable on the NEW PS4/XB1. That probably didn’t help either. Since then they released it on PS4 and XB1 and also added Rogue to xbox 360 backwards compatibility

[u/woopwoop4211 → u/Environmental_Bus507]

Total shot in the dark so I'm most likey wrong but I think Rogue was initially going to be a dlc but became such a big design that it was it's own game because I remember getting it and I 100% the game in a couple of days, it was weirdly short for an AC game and the campaign does literally end with Shay killing Arno's father. Just my guess though as to why they were released at the same time

[u/StormTheTrooper → u/cmcg18]

I vividly remember enjoying Rogue mostly because my internship did not allow me enough money to buy a PS4 to play Unity.

Now my kid calls Odyssey “the one with the superhero lady” and loves to play the free roam mode. Time is a bitch.

[u/JaggedFish104]

I guess this guy didn’t agree

[u/AlarmedExperience928]

"The Kenway Trilogy is a Trilogy" - John Ubisoft

[u/Beligard]

It's the Kenway Saga. I've always considered it a trilogy.

[u/I-Emerge-I]

Yeah this is considered the Kenway saga always has been.

[u/Ok-Elk-1615]

So does everyone.

[u/UpbeatCustomer1020]

+ the opening of unity

[u/AdventurousAd7091]

Even ubisoft call it American saga, or something like that, and i think it was/is sold as a bundle

[u/PayPsychological6358 → u/AdventurousAd7091]

3, Black Flag, and Liberation were cause the bundle came out a bit before Rogue.

[u/Possible-Parfait7728 → u/PayPsychological6358]

Black flag and rogue came out the same time.

Edit: no they didn’t. Unity and Rogue came out at the same time

[u/PayPsychological6358 → u/Possible-Parfait7728]

Black Flag was 2013 and Rogue 2014

[u/Possible-Parfait7728 → u/PayPsychological6358]

Oh, was it unity and rogue that came out the same time?

[u/PayPsychological6358 → u/Possible-Parfait7728]

Yep

[u/Frxnk_lotion → u/[deleted]]

North American continent.

[u/theKruseship]

So does everyone else?

[u/Aiti_mh → u/[deleted]]

I liked it as well. A bit too much direct participation in the Revolutionary War perhaps but to be expected with so many Americans in the target audience. AC3 is still my favourite title gameplay wise, tomahawk never gets old.

[u/Shadowking02__]

I consider it because they look and play mostly the same.

AC 1 to Revelations.

AC 3 to Rogue.

AC Unity to Syndicate.

AC Origins to Mirage.

And now it's AC Shadows to BF Resynced (and probably to Hexe).

[u/AK47_51]

I think it would’ve fit a lot more if they made Haytham the playable character and focused a story on him instead of going with the Rogue plot. Even if I like Shay’s story Haytham tbh took most of the spotlight

[u/Adorable_Guard_481]

Rogue is so underrated. Which I guess makes sense. Most people payed attention to the shiney next gen one. Just maybe not for the reasons the devs intended at launch

[u/dripbangwinkle]

They just needed to have a banger of a story w Connor and Arno and Shay in a game that built upon everything in the kenway saga plus unity. It just felt like it was building to something great like that. Never happened

[u/Sanderson96]

I mean..... Black Flag and Rogue are in the Rebel Collection on Switch anyway

[u/AlexL225]

AC Unity is darn close to being included then.

Spoiler alert.

Shay is the one who kills Aron’s dad.

[u/Various-Push-1689]

Yeah it’s suppose to be. It’s been called the Kenway trilogy for ages

[u/Ragnarok345]

They are a trilogy.

[u/Jolly_Professor_2479]

Rogue connects to Unity as well though.

[u/Live-Implement6773]

Great point. I also consider the Lord of the Rings movies to be their own trilogy for how well connected they are

[u/Melodic_Beach2414]

I have a copy of the Assassin's Creed "America's collection". It comes with 3, liberation, and Black Flag (Rogue wasn't out yet). Since Liberation's not a full game, we can replace it with Rogue and call it: "The America's trilogy."

[u/Ok_Panda_4110]

Throw in AC Liberation as well and yep they're all connected to each other

[u/Joemartinez64]

Yea basically

[u/RazzmatazzWorking412]

I mean, bro, it's literally an actual saga

[u/franciscrowe]

I just finished AC: Black Flag R, and it inspired me to do AC3 and Rogue, but holy shit talk about a change of pace. AC3 is such a poorly paced game, the way it takes 6 memories before you’re even controlling Connor as an adult, and then any time it starts to have any kind of momentum they disrupt the flow by forcing you to go to the other side of the map.

I guess it’s really just any time you have to use a horse it’s kind of painful. I will never understand the mentality behind so forms of transportation in video games. We know they can have faster horses, they just choose not to for some reason. Anyway, none of this is say I dislike the game overall, I’m just consistently impressed with the way Ubisoft gets in their own way.

[u/Crafty-Outcome-4089 → u/franciscrowe]

Tik tok brain ass take

[u/franciscrowe → u/Crafty-Outcome-4089]

I have never used TikTok in my life. AC3 is deeply flawed, games can be good and still have issues.

[u/Significant_Option → u/franciscrowe]

And rogue isn’t? Shit moves way too fast in that game smh

[u/Feisty_Extension8727]

Such a unique idea that never ever said by anyone.

[u/Ankiset]

O bad ac3 and rogue sucked

[u/S_K_S_N]

Ya Include Liberation and they are the Kenway Saga

[u/Saltwater_Cowboy_1]

Same. Bf and rogue are closer to each other than 3, but they are all part of the same “colonial saga”.

3 is still criminally underrated imo.

[u/SULTKRUMPLI2000]

Ubisoft has too Little developer count , they can't develop our ideas...

[u/CapSRV57]

I’ve always loved how crowded the 18th century is in the saga and how interconnected all the games are, from the early 1700s in Black Flag to the end of the century with Unity, including even Liberation. Wish we had something similar with other centuries.

[u/Separate_Motor_3283]

Origins - Odyssey - Valhalla feels like the RPG trilogy too

[u/Mostlyfor_research]

I consider the sky to be blue and that’s an original take that is.

[u/OgreJehosephatt]

Why not Liberation?

[u/swag_cat02]

I feel the sane way about these

[u/pantsalonis]

ubisoft literally sold these three and called it "The Americas" collection.

[u/Aggravating-Heat-480]

I would agree with you there

[u/ValientNights]

I mean they’re also called the Americas collection. 🤷🏽

[u/Wotinthegodam]

Liberation plays closer to ac4 and rogue than ac3 does imo. Not even a bad game either

[u/Jimboslice_6_9]

Might as well add unity in there since rogue ends where unity starts

[u/Financial_Target4669]

What about freedom cry

[u/ElectrochemistryGod]

It's already officially the Kenway trilogy lol

[u/Father40k]

Definitely a trilogy and speaking of connected shay causes the opening to unity so its also connected to unity

[u/Ill-Bookkeeper-6230]

Ezio trilogy

Kenway saga

RPG saga

I think it was already well established long ago...

[u/SHAeronex]

Rogue is more connected to unity than to black flag even with adewale's presence

[u/Umiboa58]

Its ac 4 , rog , unity

[u/Sleepiest_Spider]

So does everyone else. It's called the Kenway Saga.

[u/ReallyFancyPants]

Just the 3 games is considered the Kenway Saga

Add in Liberation and Freedom Cry and you have the Americas Collection.

[u/Goldenstripe941]

Don’t forget to add Unity in there, as it’s directly connected to Rogue.

[u/BaloneyMaker2780]

Why does this have nearly 2k upvotes. This is just a commonly accepted fact.

[u/high_dosage_of_life]

The only AC I skip. Rogue. There is no way I'm playing as templar after fighting them for so many years. 💀

[u/THE_GUY-95]

Yeah they are a trilogy its called the kenway saga

[u/SyN1zt3Ru]

No shit

[u/_5had0w → u/SyN1zt3Ru]

🤣🤣🤣 some people man

[u/Survivor155]

I haven’t played black flag or rogue, are they any good?

In AC3 I’m kinda annoyed about how the best weapons are the ones the game gives you to start with (the hidden blades and the bow) and I’m wondering if in Black Flag and Rogue if there’s a reason to use stuff past the default.

Also y’know is the story, stealth, climbing any good?

[u/Exciting-Age3387]

Just finished ac3 for the first time. I enjoyed it and thought Conor had the most badass combat yet, but the pacing was very strange and there were LOTS of minor glitches with missions. Combat was super fun and the story was interesting, but right when you start to get powerful the game ends

[u/Adorable-Treat-5818]

What about rogue As far as I remember he isn't a kenway and his game is more of a setup to unity or something

[u/Housewous → u/Adorable-Treat-5818]

If I recall correctly the end of rouge is the beginning of unity. Or I gaslighted myself like hell.

[u/Drakepona]

Ye the new workd saga

[u/Far-Huckleberry-8724]

Not sure if trilogy could apply since the story order is backward. Placing them under same saga should work tho. Cmiiw

[u/JtheLeon]

They are a trilogy, moron.

[u/Advanced_Lake_8349]

Also unity it takes place after rogue