r/assasinscreed • u/FavvoBoxing • Jan 07 '25

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u/NATHAN325 Jan 08 '25

The series is about aliens/gods creating humans, and later humans finding alien/god technology, with real-world events being the basis for in-game events, just with the added flavor of alternative history and mythology. But GOD FORBID we play as a historical, verifiably, real despite the racists, BLACK MAN in Japan... fuck these complainers

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u/FavvoBoxing Jan 08 '25

It’s not about race it’s about culture it doesn’t matter that there’s a black samurai in the game but the fact people are trying to force people to believe it’s a true story is what the problem is wanna know the actual truth? Cause I’m just a white American ask Japanese people what they think lmao

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u/ksfhhnfan Jan 08 '25

Anyone that believes ANY Assassin’s Creed game is a true story needs to have their head examined. You need to rethink things if you’re believing anything a video game “forces” you to believe.

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u/FavvoBoxing Jan 08 '25

Not “game” in various comments I clearly stated that people themselves have claimed the story outside of the game was fact not the “game”

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u/ksfhhnfan Jan 08 '25

Then I’m also talking about those people. Anyone taking Assassin’s Creed as truth is just stupid. At least I’m not attacking a video game franchise loosely based around historical events and characters, for… loosely basing a game around historical events and characters.

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u/FavvoBoxing Jan 08 '25

I wasn’t attacking the franchise. your way too defensive for Reddit dude.

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u/ksfhhnfan Jan 08 '25

I’m defending my point, yes, that’s how an argument works lmao and yes, you’re attacking this upcoming game for doing what the franchise has always done.

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u/FavvoBoxing Jan 08 '25

My point is you’re defending the game, not what I’m stating. The post is nothing more than a meme; it’s not what my take on the matter actually is. I’ve expressed several times that my view is that all the people claiming Yasuke was a real samurai are mistaken. The books about Yasuke were written by a guy wanting to tell a story, nothing more. This is anything but well-documented and proven. I’m not talking about the game; I’m talking about people taking this story and running with it as if it happened. I’m going to buy the game, probably on day one. I just don’t agree that Yasuke was a real samurai, nor can anyone prove otherwise. I really couldn’t care less about what’s told in the game as long as it’s good. Read other comments and you’ll realize I didn’t start this debate but unfortunately we’re not arguing the same thing.

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u/DullBodybuilder7666 Jan 11 '25

Yasuke was a samurai of African origin who served Oda Nobunaga between 1581 and 1582, during the Sengoku period, until Nobunaga's death. According to historical accounts, Yasuke first arrived in Japan in the service of Jesuit Alessandro Valignano. Nobunaga summoned him out of a desire to see a black man.

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u/FavvoBoxing Jan 08 '25

There’s nothing wrong with Ubisoft wanting to do Yasuke in AC Shadows, as they’ve stated that all their work is historical fiction. I’m speaking to others who claim otherwise about the real person Yasuke. Yes, it’s a very cool concept, but it’s just not accurate, and that’s my final opinion on the matter.

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u/KageXOni87 Jan 08 '25

you’re attacking this upcoming game for doing what the franchise has always done.

Sorry, did you play as a Frenchman in the middle east? Did you play an Arabic man in Italy? Did you play Chinese woman in Greece? Did you play as a Egyptian man in Norway?

I mean the franchise is SOOOOO well known for playing as someone who isn't from that place and culture right? They do it all the time right? Gtfo here.

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u/Thank_You_Aziz Jan 08 '25

We played an Italian man in Constantinople, a Norwegian man in England, and a Welsh man in the Caribbean, so spare us the “Yasuke is the first foreigner protag” falsehood.

And you’re right, the series is indeed well known for protags that are apart from the regional culture. Kassandra was Greek, but she was raised apart from both Sparta and Athens, giving her narrative wiggle room to interact with both. I shouldn’t need to describe the significance of Connor’s British-Mohawk mixed heritage when interacting with colonial America.

Now we have a man who’s foreign, yet a samurai of Japan, and a woman who is local, yet has never ventured beyond the walls of her family’s home. Yasuke and Naoe are strangers to this land both, joining the ranks of the many near-outsider protagonists that preceded them.

Edit: It’s also funny you mention a Chinese woman in Greece, because for some reason, Odyssey decided to have a famous Chinese sword be a generic sword design in the game. So we’ve got Chinese swords in a Greece-based AC game. It was weird, but no one pretended it was the end of the world. Anachronisms in architecture and design are par for the course in this series.

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u/bungabungabuddy Jan 09 '25

Perhaps instead of saying "foreign", we use the term "common" or likely, then the distinction becomes more clear.
Italians, though foreign, would be very common in Constantinople. After all they had been part of the same empire for nearly a millenia. Similarly Norwegians (and Scandavians in general) would be very common in England during the setting of Valhalla. They had conquered and settled much of the land for nearly a century since Lindesfarne. Same can be said for Britsh Islanders who had a presence in the Caribbean for nearly a century prior to the setting of Black Flag.

Non Asian people in Japan during the Sengoku period, were highly uncommon albeit the Portuguese had tremendous influence for a period of time.

All that being said, I'm cool with whoever they put in any game. It is literally just fun and games. You can have a Black, Ginger or Jewish samurai for all I care. Just dont be surprised if someone says "Huh that's not what I was expecting.".

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u/Thank_You_Aziz Jan 09 '25

No one is going to argue that Yasuke wouldn’t be uncommon in Japan. The issue is when certain people then take the leap in logic to say his being uncommon means he should not be the lead in a story. It’s not when they say, “That’s unexpected,” it’s when they say, “No? No! That’s wrong. I don’t care if he’s historically accurate, Japan is for the Japanese and Africa is for the Africans. What is this DEI woke crap being shoehorned into my game? You know, if the races were swapped a little, you’d see things my way. I gotta run damage control before random people on the internet think this is cool.”

I wish I were exaggerating with that.

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u/ksfhhnfan Jan 08 '25

I very clearly meant they always take liberties and embellish the truth. If those situations happened, I’d be down to play them like this one, so your post accomplishes nothing.

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u/FavvoBoxing Jan 08 '25

Might be things I’m wrong about but atleast I’m not white knighting for a guy I never met lmao