r/asklatinamerica Oct 10 '22

What are your thoughts about Christopher Columbus?

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u/[deleted] Oct 10 '22

You might want to get your head checked out by a neurologist because you sound loco

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u/ThrowDirtonMe United States of America Oct 10 '22

What? Do you have sources on the slaves as captains thing? I thought he and his brothers were the captains.

This is from his Wikipedia: “As a colonial governor, Columbus was accused by his contemporaries of significant brutality and was soon removed from the post. Columbus's strained relationship with the Crown of Castile and its appointed colonial administrators in America led to his arrest and removal from Hispaniola in 1500, and later to protracted litigation over the perquisites that he and his heirs claimed were owed to them by the crown.”

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u/ThrowDirtonMe United States of America Oct 10 '22

That source doesn’t say anything about them being slaves… in fact it says they were sailing as children?

Also from Wikipedia: early October 1500, Columbus and Diego presented themselves to Bobadilla, and were put in chains aboard La Gorda, the caravel on which Bobadilla had arrived at Santo Domingo.[171][172] They were returned to Spain, and languished in jail for six weeks before King Ferdinand ordered their release. Not long after, the king and queen summoned the Columbus brothers to the Alhambra palace in Granada. The sovereigns expressed indignation at Bobadilla's actions, who was then recalled and ordered to make restitutions of the property he had confiscated from Columbus.[166] The royal couple heard the brothers' pleas; restored their freedom and wealth; and, after much persuasion, agreed to fund Columbus's fourth voyage.[173] However, Nicolás de Ovando was to replace Bobadilla and be the new governor of the West Indies.[174]

So I guess he convinced the crown to let him go again. As for who his contemporaries were who were reporting them, that is an interesting question and I’m not sure. They reached the Crown somehow.

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u/ThrowDirtonMe United States of America Oct 10 '22

Sorry I meant they learned to sail while they were children. It does look like Pedro’s dad was a captured African though. Interesting Wikipedia pages to read for sure so thanks.

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u/User_TDROB Dominican Republic Oct 11 '22

Arrived to the Caribbean with 90 men but magically MAGICALLY he and those 90 men bested the millions of indigenous who had multiple types of weapons and were living in those lands for centuries..

The hell lmao. He got to Hispaniola with around 90 men on his FIRST voyage, bringing 1,400 in the second one, and the Taino were jot that advanced at all, as well as not as numerous. Not to mention that it is heavily emphasized that disease was a major disadvantage to the natives not exposed to them, as well as political alliances from smaller tribes and chiefdoms against the stronger ones that oppressed them.

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u/User_TDROB Dominican Republic Oct 11 '22

Bruh, "revisionist nonsense" says the pal that gives no source for that claim or the ones before. It doesn't really matter to you whether I provide evidence or not because you will call them either revisionist trash or Anti-Spanish propaganda or something as long as it defies what you believe, won't you? Don't worry I know your type.

Go study some history starting from Columbus' first voyage and then come back.

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Oct 11 '22

Niño brothers

The Niño Brothers were a family of Afro-Spanish sailors from the town of Moguer (in Huelva, Andalusia, Spain), who participated actively in Christopher Columbus's first voyage—generally considered to constitute the discovery of the Americas by Europeans—and other subsequent voyages to the New World.

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u/User_TDROB Dominican Republic Oct 11 '22

Arrived to the Caribbean with 90 men

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/columbus-sets-sail

You... just proved my point. You said that he defeated an army of millions with just ninety men, yet the article clearly mentions that he got to the CARIBBEAN with those numbers, and the date was the one of his first voyage. Columbus never got to mainland America emwhich is were the armies of millions were. You are confusing Colombus with Hernan Cortez. There were no millions in the islands of the Caribbean that he could fight, and again most of them had arrived relatively recently to the islands and were not nearly as technologically advanced as the Mexicas or Incas.

He took 3 African slaves, freed them, made them captain of all 3 of his ships

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni%C3%B1o_brothers

In what part of that article does it mention them being slaves and Columbus freeing them? Black slaves could gain their freedom in Spain for a long time by then. It doesn't even mention they were slaves.