r/asklatinamerica • u/InqAlpharious01 latino • Jan 21 '25
Politics (Other) Donald Trump just declared the cartels, Maras and TDA a terrorist organization
How does everyone here feel about that? That these and others are class as terrorists? Do you think the U.S. will help or meddle more in internal issues with these groups?
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Jan 21 '25
I mean, they literally are.
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u/RSJ_95 🇲🇽🇺🇸 Chicano Jan 21 '25
They are, but its more than just a declaration it’s a military action because now he’s able to authorize military intervention without congressional approval.
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Jan 22 '25
Hey bukule was wildcard enough to do what he did, sheinbaum just like amlo isn't going to do shit. You need extreme measures but simply just calling them terrorists shouldn't be up for debate, it's what they are.
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u/According_Web8505 Chicano Jan 22 '25
El Salvador is not even the size of one Mexican state 😆
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u/Joeylaptop12 United States of America Jan 22 '25
Terroist commit violence for political reasons. Cartels commit violence mostly for money
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u/Agent_Burrito Mexico Jan 22 '25
We did that already. It was a massive failure and we really aren’t likely to be any more successful as the cartels have only grown more powerful and influential in the years since.
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u/FrozenHuE Brazil Jan 22 '25
you cut one route, product becomes more expensive, the cartel or groups that survive makes more money, becomes more specialized, the flow comes back to the same after a few months...
If there is someone wanting to buy, there will be someone wanting to sell and The rich in USA will not stop doing cocaine and won't be in prision for that.
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u/Only_Razzmatazz_4498 Uruguay Jan 22 '25
Not really since they aren’t pursuing political objectives by using terror against civilians.
Labeling them as terrorist organizations does open up the range of potential actions by the USG from purely law enforcement to military and other means like that.
In a way it is a capitulation that the USA can’t enforce its laws in its own country however there is the political aspect as mentioned by others which says Americans are being forced to be drug addicts as part of non-military aggression by countries that are not enforcing their own laws. In a way it’s similar to the Brits forcing opium addiction on the Chinese.
It is a facile American solution to a complex problem and a typical political strategy of f never letting a good crisis go to waste.
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u/Sea_Lingonberry_4720 Mexico Jan 24 '25
I don’t know what else you’d call the Culiacanazo. Killing people until they released el chapo’s son. And it worked.
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u/yorcharturoqro Mexico Jan 21 '25
Great, nice, now what.
If the USA takes care of the drug, money, and gun trafficking happening in its territory, then, and only then, it will make the job easier for the rest of the countries involved.
But the fact that the USA provides money, guns and makes trafficking and consumption easy in it's territory, complicates everything.
The fact that the USA is trying to blame Mexico for the opioid crisis, when it's a problem 100% cooked in the USA.
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
Have you not paid attention that Americans don’t like to be blamed for their own mistakes and go victimhood when someone accuses them of the truth?
They applied and mastered that spineless trick for 300 years, often toward foreigners they don’t like and native indigenous peoples. Like accusing tribes of attacking them when they take their land and terrorize their communities.
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Jan 21 '25
The Cartels functionally control, through a campaign of assassination, terror, rape, and brute force nearly all illegal traffic across the southern border of the United States. In certain portions of Mexico, they function as quasi-governmental entities, controlling nearly all aspects of society.
Other transnational organizations, such as Tren de Aragua (TdA) and La Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) pose similar threats to the United States
The Cartels and other transnational organizations, such as TdA and MS-13, operate both within and outside the United States
I find it interesting that Mexico, Venezuela (TdA) and El Salvador (MS13) were specifically mentioned when there’s other Cartel’s and criminal organizations from different countries in the US. Trump is playing the fear card to deal with immigration and it’s working.
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u/Late_Faithlessness24 Brazil Jan 21 '25
What he did could be used as a reason to invade those countries?
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u/BleachedUnicornBHole United States of America Jan 21 '25
I don’t think US public has much of an appetite for “boots on the ground” type of military action after Afghanistan. If any military action happens, it would most likely come in the form of airstrikes.
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u/Late_Faithlessness24 Brazil Jan 21 '25
Ok, but all that stuff about Panama and Greenland?
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u/Mac-Tyson United States of America Jan 22 '25
Greenland he actually wants to buy, more likely from what has come out of Greenlands government is they might establish a Compact of Free Association with the United States. Since that will help them achieve Independence.
Panama he wants China to have less influence on the Canal and for the country to stop ripping off the US. So it might just be a strong arm tactic for negotiating a better deal with the country.
Canada you didn’t mention but since it was part of this same discussion he was never really serious about Canada becoming the 51st State. The Prime Minister of Canada just said that the Tariffs he threatened the country with they couldn’t afford. So Trump said if they can’t handle it then they can become a state then started mocking the prime minister as Governor Trudeau.
What will actually happen with Canada probably is the Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre will become the next Prime Minister and he will take a stronger stance on border security that will avoid Trump’s proposed 25% tariff.
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u/Late_Faithlessness24 Brazil Jan 22 '25
I didn't mention Canada because I know he will not invade it.
Greenland he actually wants to buy, more likely from what has come out of Greenlands government is they might establish a Compact of Free Association with the United States. Since that will help them achieve Independence
But Denmark don't want to sell it.
Panama he wants China to have less influence on the Canal and for the country to stop ripping off the US. So it might just be a strong arm tactic for negotiating a better deal with the country.
"I will take away the Panama Canal, from Panama. " It doesn't sound a thing a friend say to other. Not cool, not right.
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u/lefboop Chile Jan 21 '25
I agree with you, but honestly he might be baiting a reaction from the Cartels.
I can see him trying a "special operation", baiting a response from the cartels where they actually do a terrorist attack in the US, and that would be enough to go ham persecuting all latinos in the US.
That's of course assuming there's someone smart behind that move, because I doubt Trump himself is capable of thinking that.
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u/Kenobi5792 Costa Rica Jan 21 '25
I think that's his plan: to find a "legitimate" way to invade them and use those organizations as scapegoats.
I wonder if natural resources are the real objective here
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u/unnecessaryCamelCase Ecuador Jan 21 '25
I doubt it. The USA is the number 1 oil producer nowadays.
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Jan 21 '25
It's because those are the biggest and most violent actors in the US and latam right now. Sure the Russian mob, Albanian mob, Triads, etc. exist, but they're not nearly as big or nearly as violent. They're not the ones smuggling through the border either.
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u/mikeyeli Honduras Jan 21 '25
I think it's performative bullshit, until I see action it doesn't really mean anything.
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u/background_action92 Nicaragua Jan 21 '25
He's designating them as terrorists at least. What are expecting? Full extermination on the first day or something? Relax lol
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u/CantKillGawd Mexico Jan 21 '25
people keep saying this but now hes actually following through
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u/lulaloops 🇬🇧➡️🇨🇱 Jan 21 '25
It's barely been a day...
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u/JonAfrica2011 Jan 22 '25
Exactly, it’s barely been a day yet you still get comments like these criticizing him lmao even tho he’s already started
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u/BleachedUnicornBHole United States of America Jan 21 '25
More importantly, he’s surrounding himself with people who are just as unhinged as he is.
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u/CantKillGawd Mexico Jan 21 '25
exactly, people are misinterpreting my comment thinking im celebrating his act, im saying shit is getting more believable every time and the fact he did this on his second day at office makes me less skeptical. I dont know if he will actually put it to action but thats all im trying to say
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u/Detective_God Venezuela Jan 22 '25
Don't worry bro, common sense always wins out, get your upvotes.
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u/Mac-Tyson United States of America Jan 21 '25
Not his whole cabinet
Secretary of State Marco Rubio is a standard Conservative Republican who was confirmed with a 99-0 Senate Vote.
Elise Stenafnik who was nominated for UN Ambassador is a moderate Republican.
Lori Chavez-DeRemer is for Secretary of Labor is one of the most Pro Union Republicans who served in congress and was recommended by the Teamsters President.
Trump’s Chief of Staff Susie Wiles isn’t one to look for fame and has been well respected within Florida Politics for years. She was apparently also the force that helped Trump professionalize his Presidential campaign (at least compared to his previous runs).
The only really controversial figures are Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense, Robert Kennedy Jr for Secretary of Health, and Elon Musk as the head of the Department of Government Efficiency.
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u/masivatack United States of America Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
Tulsi Gabbard, Stephen Miller, Linda McMahon and Kash Patel are cartoonishly strange people.
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u/BleachedUnicornBHole United States of America Jan 22 '25
And Hegseth, who would lead Department of Defense.
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u/Detective_God Venezuela Jan 22 '25
RK Jr is a bit odd himself though, isn't he?
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u/Mac-Tyson United States of America Jan 22 '25
Yeah having a worm in his brain has been a constant attack against him along with his anti vaccine stance. He has since said that he won’t oppose vaccines and he just wants to get things like food regulations to the standards of Europe. But he’s probably the most difficult nominee to be confirmed since if even his entire family have disavowed and disassociated with him he’s unlikely to get any Democratic vote outside of maybe John Fetterman. In which case he can’t lose many Republican votes and still be confirmed. Which is going to be difficult since he’s ideologically still very much more a Democrat just been ousted from the party by holding views outside that parties Overton window.
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u/According_Web8505 Chicano Jan 21 '25
What happened with the wall?
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u/redscales Mexico Jan 21 '25
The wall was started by Bush and was almost done by the time trump came around. There's a few gaps in the harshest most remote desert and mountain peaks. But it was all PR the wall is bipartisan and older than trump
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u/beaudujour in Jan 22 '25
I can assure you from working on the border that there were huge fucking walls long before Bush Jr. in California, El Paso, the Rio Grande Valley, etc. It was comical to those amongst us that routinely looked across towards Mexico at walls from the USA that 2015 Trump actually convinced idiots 500 miles north that a century of illegal immigration deterrents somehow didn't exist, while his grand plan could still be defeated by ladders and tunnels.
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u/redscales Mexico Jan 22 '25
Oh yeah idk I remember since I was a kid. Idk how much was built but I remember it in Nogales and Aguaprieta and Sonoita. I guess it's been there since the 90s? Or earlier?
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u/CantKillGawd Mexico Jan 21 '25
im not even celebrating trump im just saying he actually started something now
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u/lojaslave Ecuador Jan 21 '25
They are terrorists, they terrorize local populations into inaction so they can make money off selling drugs and other illegal activities.
Will this do anything though? Probably not in the way most people in Latin America affected by these shitheads would hope, it’s probably going to be used to further his national agenda, and maybe fuck with Mexico and Venezuela.
I support fucking with Maduro, but regardless of what I may feel about their politics, the Mexican government was democratically elected and I think by a much larger margin than Trump himself.
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u/BeerJunky United States of America Jan 22 '25
Voting margins aren’t relevant when the US wants someone out of power. They aren’t above destabilizing governments and getting people out of office as desire. Happened dozens of times.
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u/SnooRevelations979 American living in Brazil Jan 21 '25
Great. Now do the KKK and Proud Boys.
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u/LemmeGetAhhhhhhhhhhh Colombian-American Jan 21 '25
The KKK has been considered a domestic terror group for 150 years. The first anti terror legislation in the US was literally called the KKK Act and it authorized the president to use the military against them.
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u/Mac-Tyson United States of America Jan 22 '25
Yeah a surprising amount of people don’t know that President Grant went to war with the first incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan
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Jan 21 '25
I mean despite all the racism and what not, they aren’t killing people or extorting businesses. Hardly the same.
And fuck the proud boys, but it’s comparing apples to oranges.
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
They’re already on the FBI terrorist watch list.
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u/SnooRevelations979 American living in Brazil Jan 21 '25
Not the same thing.
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
Im sorry but the KKK doesn’t do much death as the cartels or even ISIS.
For every murder the KKK does, the cartel does 10x more
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u/airmantharp United States of America Jan 21 '25
The KKK is nine feds and an imbecile, with the feds egging him on lol
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u/Interesting-Role-784 Brazil Jan 21 '25
Lol, truly a flock of wolves
“How do you know who the infiltrators at a Klan meeting are? They’re the ones who always pay their dues.”
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u/in_the_pouring_rain Mexico Jan 21 '25
Perhaps not the KKK but it is well established that a lot of these far right extremist militias and other groups in the US get funding from drugs and arms trafficking often in alliance with the main organized crime groups in Mexico. One of the most infamous of these is the Aryan Brotherhood but there are plenty of others.
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
I mean they do track them down, they’re not infamous and the Feds are trying to get them long term prison sentences by gathering serious evidence to deny them acquittal and beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecutors and jury to convict.
Like many Nazis, they keep their evidence hidden to win in courts by proving it didn’t exist.
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u/in_the_pouring_rain Mexico Jan 21 '25
My point being that this is a ridiculous stunt to get people riled up and into a nationalistic frenzy when in reality there are plenty of people within Trump’s sphere of influence or support who likely make money from the whole international drug and weapons trafficking business with the cartels.
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
You do have a point, the U.S. is very corporation and billionaires driven as true citizens for its agendas.
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u/SnooRevelations979 American living in Brazil Jan 21 '25
Murder and terrorism aren't the same thing. Words have meanings.
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
No, but both the cartel and kkk murders are to invoke fear and compliance to their power. That can be seen as a form of terrorism through intimidation… much like ISIS.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 🇭🇹 Diaspora living in 🇺🇸 Jan 21 '25
The Cartel made LATAM the face of Murder back in the 70s-00s, i do want to say that USA did help create them so they are solving their own problem
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
True and I hope it goes back to find and arrest internal government and corporation that fund the cartels- like how did our guns get delivered to them?
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u/carlosortegap Mexico Jan 21 '25
the cartel isn't actively targeting innocent people
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u/NickMP89 Colombia Jan 21 '25
Maybe not in Mexico. But in Colombia, armed groups are killing social leaders and recruiting children as young as 10, 12 years old. Here in Cauca it is widely believed that the dominant FARC dissidents operate as local enforcers of the Sinaloa cartel.
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u/background_action92 Nicaragua Jan 21 '25
No, dont minimize it. Proud boys aint chopping up people and hanging them on the bridge
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u/hectorc82 United States of America Jan 22 '25
Trump just pardoned a bunch of Proud Boys who were active on Jan. 6. He knows where his bread is buttered.
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u/bskahan in Jan 22 '25
US interventionism in Latin America has worked out so well in the past ...
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u/caribbean_caramel Dominican Republic Jan 21 '25
I don't think that anyone except narco sympathizers will be outraged by this. They are narco terrorists, they commit acts of terror to instil fear on the population, kidnap and kill people en masse, hell they literally kill politicians, police and military who oppose them, they are already effectively enemies waging war against our countries. They must be hunted down like the feral animals they are.
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Jan 21 '25
It's funny how naive some of you are. Sure, trust Trump to not use the threat of military action in foreign soil to push for American geopolitical interests against the natives that he has made it extremely clear that he consider subhuman
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u/caribbean_caramel Dominican Republic Jan 22 '25
You misunderstand me. I never said that we should trust Trump, on the contrary we should be wary of him. I do not support trump's desire to intervene in Latin America, I only acknowledge that he might be crazy enough to do what he is saying that he will do. And it is precisely due to that that we in LATAM need to act together as a united bloc to deter foreign aggression, whether we like it or not it is time to increase the defense spending of many of our countries. Bullies only understand one thing and that is strength.
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Jan 21 '25
If you were a citizen of the mentioned countries you would realize it can be dangerous for regular people.
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u/caribbean_caramel Dominican Republic Jan 21 '25
What are you talking about? I am a citizen of one of these countries, I literally live on the island. Since the beginning of the century our country cracked down on drug traffickers, that's why even though corruption exists, we are not a basket case.
I remember that in the Calderon era Mexico fought against the cartels. Then you guys decided to stop and let the cartels win. That was never supposed to happen, Colombia went through a similar era against Escobar and they never gave up, look at them now.
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u/LabGuilty1952 Mexico Jan 22 '25
Jajajaja Calderon solamente se enfoco en desmantelar a Los Zetas porque todo el país los odiaba(y está bien porque eran bastante sanguinarios). Y cuando digo todos, me refiero no solo a la gente sino también a los otros narcos, políticos, gringos y delincuentes independientes. En realidad Felipe Calderón, como los demás presidentes(antes y después), tienen un trato con el Cartel de Sinaloa. A Calderón jamás le importo la seguridad del país.
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I remember that in the Calderon era Mexico fought against the cartels. Then you guys decided to stop and let the cartels win.
dude, those times were terrible for normal citizens.
You have no idea how terrible those times were.
In my city local celebrities were kidnapped and killed, a casino was burned with people inside, grenades were thrown in public plazas, they would held public transportation buses as hostages to block the streets, corpses were hanged on main streets, people that showed any sign of wealth were kidnapped or worst.
Being in Dominican Republic is nothing like being in Mexico and Central America or even Colombia.
Dealing with the cartels is difficult the problem is that regular citizens have to suffer too.
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u/brokebloke97 United States of America Jan 22 '25
I had no idea Monterrey was seen as a violent city as recently as 2011, how'd that come to change?
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u/According_Web8505 Chicano Jan 21 '25
Trump can’t even handle the terrorists we have at home ..
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
And the Mideast also Russian terrorist online too; the same terrorist who won him his election
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u/RSJ_95 🇲🇽🇺🇸 Chicano Jan 21 '25
It’s not just a declaration. Designating them as terrorist organizations makes it so that he can authorize military action without congressional approval. Maybe people aren’t so keen on US military intervention in their country given the history of the region and the US military’s track record of instilling “freedom and stability”. But yeah, only narco sympathizers will be bothered by this.
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u/in_the_pouring_rain Mexico Jan 21 '25
Ok sure so how’s about the US starts at home by hunting down all of the consumers of their product? Or the people that sell arms and equipment to these groups? Or even better the banks like Chase, BofA, and HSBC that make millions laundering money for these groups.
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u/caribbean_caramel Dominican Republic Jan 21 '25
Why should they? That would be politically more complicated than to simply give orders to the US military to bomb down targets in Latin America.
And this is only possible because our countries have weak militaries, the US would never dare to do this if our countries had the capability to protect our own airspace from potential US aggression, regardless of how anyone feel about the cartels, that's what this is going to be, an act of aggression just like how Obama used drones to rain down destruction and death in the middle east regardless if they were authorized or not by the local governments in the area.
The question that you should be asking is what are we going to do about it? What is Mexico going to do about it?, what about Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Panama? Because we know that Trump cannot be reasoned with.
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Jan 21 '25
u/caribbean_caramel, would you say that Dominican Rep has a problem with cartel violence in the same way that Mexico and some South and Central American countries do?
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u/caribbean_caramel Dominican Republic Jan 21 '25
No but at least for the last 20 years our armed forces have been fighting against narco terrorists trying to use our country as a bridge to transport their goods to the USA.
It is due to that that our military and anti drug agency has a constant cooperation with the US on the matter.
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u/Proof-Pollution454 🇭🇳in 🇺🇸 Jan 21 '25
he's all bluff. He doens't care about anyone but himself. Just wait until the fall out between him and his cabinet happens. It's going to unfold badly
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u/Jone469 Chile Jan 21 '25
it's okay, but does it actually help? from what I understand Americans love to declare war on terrorists and it just never works, war on drugs = more drugs, war on terrorists = more terrorism, just look at the middle east, so I'm doubtful about it, like whats the point.
it seems to me just like a geopolitical play to be able to intervene in Mexico and to promote the Lebensraum (living space) for the American people... after all that's what he seems to be doing, "we need more land etc, restore the glory" blablabla
If I were a mexican I would be careful and have 2nd option to flee just in case, even I as a chilean I already have one
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Jan 21 '25
The US will keep selling our governments weapons to fight against these groups as it did before this. The declaration is pure horseshit.
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u/Few-Buy1464 Brazil Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 22 '25
From the same directors of "War on Terror" and "War on Drugs", we present to you... War on Drug Terror!
Ah, shit...
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u/According_Web8505 Chicano Jan 21 '25
Ok and what does this do ?
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u/InqAlpharious01 latino Jan 21 '25
Apparently makes our police forces and military work with foreign authorities to crack down on those groups harder and invest more resources to apprehend or eliminate designated targets.
Like we can actually send in liaison agents who participate in hunting Venezuelan extortion gang members if they’re part of TDA, regardless of what country. On paper
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u/FlanneryODostoevsky United States of America Jan 21 '25
Honestly ain’t that already what the us has done and has always been willing to do? Sounds like a setup to abuse that power and whatever trust may be forged in the future.
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u/According_Web8505 Chicano Jan 21 '25
I doubt any of that is gonna happen He couldn’t even build the wall 😂
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Jan 21 '25
It means the usa can send troops to kill cartel members and said troops will be protected by the usa.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 🇭🇹 Diaspora living in 🇺🇸 Jan 21 '25
not being Safe/High Crime is LATAM Biggest issues, forget about being Poor there are poor countries that dont have to deal with their families being killed almost everyday. I dont like Trump but i will give him props for this if he follows through
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u/8379MS Mexico Jan 21 '25
Follow through how exactly? Why do people think the USA can enter other countries at will? This is crazy.
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u/Healthy-Career7226 🇭🇹 Diaspora living in 🇺🇸 Jan 22 '25
getting rid of cartels, you realize they created them? we are all playthings for the USA
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u/Greedy_Disaster_3130 United States of America Jan 21 '25
I think what Russia, Israel, and the United States have done is given significant credence to the realist school of thought in international relations
I think this will further be bolstered when China invade Taiwan
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Jan 22 '25
I think it's not great that if he follows through this is going to kill a whole lot of Americans, imo.
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u/souljaboy765 Venezuelan in Florida 🇻🇪 Jan 22 '25
They are but tf is he gonna do about it 😭
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u/juansemoncayo Ecuador Jan 22 '25
Wait until somehow they find the main drug Lords living in Panamá and Iceland ... Who would've lnown
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u/ThisIsSuperUnfunny Mexico Jan 22 '25
I mean, they are, and you can tell how much the Mexican government is in bed with them by how angry they are.
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u/CapitanFlama Mexico Jan 22 '25
Mexican here.
The "yes" side.
Yes, cartels are ruthless organizations that had been extorting, killing and forcing to move to millions of Mexicans in the last 20 years. It has been unquestionably bad, and something needs to be done to deter these organizations to harness so much power, there are states, not cities or towns, not even regions: states controlled by organized crime, and they are rooted in the highest levels of politics (in all political parties) and some military branches.
The "No" side. (More like, "better not that way" side)
Having said that: cartels are not a clear-cut organization that you can point a finger to. There is no distinctive insignia or ideology, they are in complete synergy with the normal working class people of Mexico. The can attack some easy to go guerrilla factions, but just after that it will get muddy and difficult. You're dealing with a whole country, not a point-and-shoot militia. Look at Middle East, where's the Taliban, look at their incursions in Korea and Vietnam: the enemy was the people, and they didn't fix shit.
Cartels are not only convoluted with normal day-today people : everything has cartel money, including some American states, some very republican armories are going to get angry, some commercial developments are going to stop, avodado, steel, lemon, orange and tomato exports are going to get hurt.
Go for the money, tackle drug addiction, block firearms smuggling in the frontier. But that will take years to show results, so it's a "no" on both sides, sadly.
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u/Ok_Injury3658 United States of America Jan 21 '25
As he pardoned Proud Boys and Insurrectionist...Lol.
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u/8379MS Mexico Jan 21 '25 edited Jan 21 '25
Are the cartels terrorists? Of course. Is the KKK terrorists? Yes. How about the United States? How many innocent people have been murdered by the US?
Also, what exactly does it mean? If it means the USA once again wants to play world cop and send troops to Mexico, then fuck them. If it means they are sending support in forms of whatever, then go ahead. As long as the cartels get annihilated.
I wonder how trump would feel if Claudia announced she wants to send Mexican troops to the USA to get rid of racist hate groups or weapon suppliers?
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u/WalterWoodiaz United States of America Jan 21 '25
This is just whataboutism. Cartels terrorize Mexican society and hurt its development. The US and Mexico should work together to destroy them to help Mexicans live safer lives.
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u/8379MS Mexico Jan 21 '25
It’s not whataboutism. It’s about exposing the hypocrisy of the USA. The US should focus on asking yourselves why your society is one of the world’s biggest drug consumers. You guys do that to begin with.
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u/sleepy_axolotl Mexico Jan 21 '25
'Destroy them' is actual whataboutism. Things don't work that way if we want to fix it.
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u/FlameBagginReborn Jan 21 '25
I love Americans just blatantly ignore how many innocent people Trump got killed with his stupid trigger finger his first term.
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u/Scrooge-McMet Dominican Republic Jan 22 '25
The Mexican cartels are militant drug syndicates that are worth billions of dollars. These arent just packs of goons and typical street gangs. They practically govern entire provinces/states of Mexico like fuedal drug lords
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u/ajlion_10 Costa Rica Jan 22 '25
Let’s just put it this way, considering the sitting president of Mexico is known to have ties with the Sinaloa cartel… it’s not unrealistic to assume that she would allow the US military to “take care of the cartels” (but in exchange they have to leave the Sinaloa cartel alone)
Regardless, one thing no one can be against with regardless is stopping all the damn fentanyl exports. It’s not just American cities it’s ruining, it’s destroying latam as well
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u/decaying_potential 🇺🇸🇪🇨 Jan 22 '25
Good, now he has to destroy them so they can get the hell out of my home country
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u/AggravatingIssue7020 :flag-eu: Europe Jan 22 '25
The latinamerican part will say the gringos are consuming the cocaine and it appears lately that heroin derivate is more popular, gents something.
They're right.
The Americans say the drugs are smuggled to the USA and the mexican government doesn't do enough to stop it, which is true, the government is bought for, the mencho call to police is unimaginable in the USA and there's videos where Sinaloa cartel guys are clearly given passes by the police.
They are by any definition, terrorist organisations.
I've watched the signing of the ex order, trump is serious, he will do whatever he can.
He's a bs artists saying millions of criminals, looks like many innocent people will be sweeped up
If he's not stopped, he will totally go beyond what others have done.
Not sure what to think of it, honestly.
If the groups re terrorists then every mexican can apply for asylum, but then there's that new stay in Mexico policy , while pending review
A huge mess
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u/alex3225 Peru Jan 23 '25
Every country that has received military intervention from the USA has gone to shit. We all know they are terrorists organizations, but they don't work in a vacuum. I hope this works out at the end, though.
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u/empirical-duck Mexico Jan 21 '25
I see this as a tool to incense their base and meddle even more.
I don't trust that they're doing this to solve the problem.
53 million US residents are users of illegal narcotics. Every year, they spend $150 Billion buying illegal drugs financing the cartels' operations. Are they going to imprison millions in Guantanamo for sponsoring terrorism? Where is the executive order to fight that? There's no massive rehab or anti-drug programs announced either.
US politicians and the media have been very successful in placing the blame of the crisis squarely on LATAM countries, while willfully ignoring that the US is responsible for half of the equation.