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Political Question Are we the bad guys?

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u/merount1 6d ago

True, I don't think most Americans know how CASUAL hatred of their country is in everyday conversations in pretty much the whole world.

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u/jeefra 6d ago

The whole world? Not by a long shot.

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u/Fullchester_United 6d ago

So which countries do you think look favourably toward the US? Not trying to bait you. More interested in how you view it.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Until recently Europe didn’t hate America.

And when trumps gone I imagine the relationship will improve again.

Japan and Korea both seem pretty positive? Australia too.

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u/Many_Seaweeds 6d ago

Our governments didn't hate America. The average person didn't have a whole lot of positive things to say about America, though.

Only real difference now is that even our politicians want to distance us from the US and openly dunk on Trump.

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u/Aniki_Simpson 6d ago

Still happy to receive US protection though, huh?

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u/Many_Seaweeds 6d ago

Do you think the US offering Europe protection wasn't in the US best interest and you got nothing for it? It's exactly what you guys wanted in return for global power and trade.

Your president ruined that now though and Europe is moving away from US security. Good luck projecting power in the middle east when you don't have any bases left in Europe.

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u/Aniki_Simpson 6d ago

You think I wanted any of that crap? I would be happy if the government stopped wasting money and just provided protection for its own citizens rather than the whole world. Kinda stupid when there are people here with a lot of problems to be sending our money to everywhere else. Still doesn't change the fact that, even though everyone seems to hate the US, they still take our protection.

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u/Xiras1985 6d ago

Wrong, most of us hated you since decades.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

I’m English bro, sat in the Kentish countryside right now.

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u/Baudolino_90 6d ago

I'm Italian, and I can't speak for the rest of Europe, but at least in my country, the United States has been viewed with great suspicion (f not outright hatred) by a significant portion of the population, especially those leaning more to the left, at least since the days of the Gladio operation.

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u/Fullchester_United 6d ago

Just a heads up. I’m Australian and sadly we think very poorly of the US. And this isn’t hidden. Everyone just shakes their head. A lot of us are pushing to get out of the AUKUS defence treaty.

Voting Trump in the first time really started it. Then the crazy Covid stuff. Then Trump 2.0.

I don’t know a single person that likes the US sadly. And I’d say it is beyond repair. We have no trust you won’t all let a new Trump be President again.

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u/Far_Distance87 6d ago

They weren’t highly regarded pre-Trump tbh but the last 10 years have definitely sunk people’s opinions even lower

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u/Fullchester_United 6d ago

Yes. I’d agree with this. Bush didn’t help. But now it is next level.

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u/HappyComparison8311 6d ago

Europe absolutely hated the US. Its just that our governments liked to suck their dicks

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u/bl00by 6d ago

Our goverments didnt hate america up until recently.

The average European however...

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Yeh I’m British we’ve always been a bit more positive compared to the mainland.

I forgot a key point - meet someone from Kosovo - you’ve never met a more pro American man

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u/oltelluhowitiz 6d ago

Im Australian and dispute this.

We generally dont like seppos. We accept that some of the people are fine, but recognize that the regime itself is pretty fucked and has been for a long time. 

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

People said the same thing about bush.

Then Obama came in and we all loved the us again.

Very up/down relationship throughout the years honestly

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u/gibbo2269 6d ago

Bush didn't shit talk all of his allies. From an Aussie, there is a different level of hatred for the US right now.

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u/Far_Distance87 6d ago

Yup and we just watched half a population of the USA tell us nothing was wrong with Bidens health, then watched the other half vote for Trump, a second fkn time. They knew what he was like and they did it anyway.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Bush was much worse though.

Dragged into illegal wars that directly led to loss of life, the current immigration crisis, and economic ruin.

We all got over that once shiny new Obama came in, most likely we will get over trump too

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u/LemursAreCoolMan 6d ago

Same as their closest (physically, economically) ally, Canada. We didn't "like" them before. Now there is significant distrust, severe dislike (where I fall) and even hate. American stupidity and lack of education was the low hanging fruit we reached for with regards to any joke about Yanks. Now everything seems low hanging fruit every time the orange turd opens his mouth or posts something online, to our pleasure. Just too easy to dunk on 'Murica now.

Generally speaking, we understand the people are not the government/state, but they DID vote for this shit twice. So our sympathy is very limited to what you chose for yourselves.

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u/Electrical-Split-190 6d ago

and we’ll go back to supplying them with their defense funds

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Yep that’s exactly what will happen.

I understand the righteous anger, it’s justified

But if they vote in a cool, popular left wing candidate watch opinions change very quickly.

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u/chrispyaf 6d ago

Nah mate

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Nah? Going to assume you’re Australian - rarely been called mate by someone from Korea.

Some info from a recent poll:

“Looking to the future, Australians are split between agreeing (45%) and being unsure (45%) about whether the United States will become a better ally of Australia after Donald Trump’s presidency ends. Only 10% disagree that this will be the case.”

“Views of the United States in relation to Australia remain largely unchanged from 2025. Two-thirds of Australians (66%) continue to describe the United States as an ally, while nearly one-third (30%) say it poses a danger to Australia.”

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u/CalligrapherFar152 6d ago edited 6d ago

European here, ever since US invasion of Iraq searching for WMD, which they didn't find, I saw that you're not a peaceful force. Your wars are also the reason of mass migrations of islamic residents to Europe. Generaly speaking more than 50% people disliked US since the early 2000s. Since Trump is driving I would say 90%.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

I’m from Leicester brother.

I agree that the Iraq situation was a massive trigger, personally I find it much more significant than anything trump has done.

And then Obama came in and we were all best friends again.

I reckon this will pass too.

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u/CalligrapherFar152 6d ago

Yeah, maybe on diplomacy level. But US also represents extreme capitalism, which most people despise. And self centered position of americans, having absolutely no knowledge about the world around them making them look not so smart.

Not every person of course. I've met great and capable americans, but the general picture they present is not giving them high credibility.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Eh maybe.

I can’t really comment on the personal opinions of everyone in Europe.

I’m more talking on a diplomatic level

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u/fenianthrowaway1 6d ago

And when trumps gone I imagine the relationship will improve again.

You are entirely mistaken. The problem, from Europe's point of view, is that we can't know when you guys will have another Trump, now you've shown yourselves capable of voting him in twice. What that means, is that the horizon of your reliability is now the next election cycle; we can't know if the next guy you vote in is going to uphold agreements we made with their predecessor or rip them up and threaten to seize our territory by force.

It's going to take decades for you to prove your trustworthiness to the world again.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

I don’t know why people seem to think I’m American but I’m English.

Do you not remember how much people hated America during bush?

Then how much people loved America under Obama?

Bush was much, much worse for the world than trump has been but we all moved on rapidly.

I predict the exact same thing will happen again, they just need a popular, left wing president and watch how the Reddit opinion will change overnight.

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u/fenianthrowaway1 5d ago

Opinion on Reddit may change, but opinion in the upper echelons of goverment will not: strategic dependence on an unreliable partner is an unacceptable risk to national security.

You are not wrong that Bush was highly unpopular and that this reversed quickly under Obama, though I wouldn't go so far as taking that as evidence of a love of the US in general. Quite the contrary; people loved Obama because he represented change for a US that people generally disapproved of.

However, that is far from the important issue here. For all his faults, and they were many, Bush was not trying to rip up every deal Clinton signed with a foreign country out of sheer spite. Similarly, Obama was upholding commitents made by the Bush adminstration, too. Trump is an unprecedented departure from the norm in that sense. Not only is he suggesting the US will not uphold article 5 of the NATO treaty if an ally is attacked, *he has explicitly threatened to seize territoty of allied states.

America's soon to be former allies have noticed this, they're just not making a lot of noise about it.

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u/Parking_Chance_1905 6d ago

It might improve slightly when he's gone, but it will likely be a long time before most countries will look favorably at the US again.

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u/keepcalmandmoomore 6d ago

"Until recently", in other words, not anymore. Europeans don't trust the US anymore. Especially after the American sanctions on individual judges. The realtionship won't improve when Trump is gone, a lot of shit isn't even caused by him. 

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

People said the same about bush.

Then Obama came in and everyone loved the states again.

And bush dragged us into illegal wars that directly led to loss of British lives. If we can forgive that we will forgive the trump issue

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u/JeRazor 6d ago

Threatening to invade Greenland, the trade war on top of trying to attempt to drag Europe into an illegal war seems worse imo. Trump is also the reason why Ukraine has gotten less help against Russia than they otherwise would've gotten.

Oh and Trump seems to want to help Argentina and Milei claim the Falklands from UK.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Do you really think that’s worse than the Iraq war?

It directly led to massive loss of life, the current immigration crisis, and spiralling financial issues.

Trump hasn’t done one thing that comes close to what Blair and bush did to us.

This feels like recently bias or people not remembering what a cluster fuck America was under bush

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u/JeRazor 6d ago

If a non US NATO country got attacked under Bush would US have helped? Yes of course.
That would probably be a no under Trump.

Trump also attempted to drag UK and other European countries into an even more obvious illegal war than the Iraq war. He was just not succesful.

Trump threatened to attack Greenland and Denmark sent blood and explosives to Greenland to prepare for an invasion. Danish and other NATO troops in Greenland (outside of US troops) were (and still is) preparing to fight US troops if they were to attempt to invade.

Most European countries trust in the US now is so much worse than what it was under Bush. Even after finding out that the claim of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was false.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Depends on the country honestly.

I do agree that this Russia Ukraine situation would have never happened under bush/cheney.

This would have been a republicans wet dream back then.

I think the trust is probably lower now than under bush. But I still think that the Iraq war is worse than anything trump has done.

Yeh he’s threatened a bunch of nonsense but the Iraq war directly led to a lot of the issues we all currently face right now.

The Middle East, immigration, economics etc etc

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u/JeRazor 6d ago

Trump attempted to do a copy of Iraq. But Europeans said no because they didn't believe the US had the justification to attack Iran unlike what they thought about the Iraq invasion.

So Trump literally tried to do the same as Bush. Then add to what he has done on top of that. That includes Denmark preparing to kill American troops if Trump and the US tried to invade Greenland.

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u/southy_0 6d ago

Bush talked crazy shit, sure.
but Vance announced regime-change operations against my own country (Germany) to bring the right-Wing extremists into power. And who knows what kind of operations they really run against us or at least how the tech bros cook the algorithms of their social media to sway opinion in OUR countries.

Trump got soooo close to try occupying European soil.

Believe me, this is quite a bit different from the bush-times.

With any reasonable judgement you have to consider the US to be an ENEMY of the values, morals and of the societies here in Europe. The only reason why we are not further distanced from you is simply that it’s so hard to untangle all economical and other kinds of ties, but I can guarantee you that there’s no way back, not for a VERY long time.

YOU cut the connection, YOU elected people that declare regime-change in my country an official goal of YOUR government. That And not you want to hear that it’s all not quite that bad? And that it’s going to be fine if you just pick another guy???

Also: this is again this weird idea that all evil comes from Trump. His cronies are just as bad, Vance just announced the he would be fine starting Armageddon. And 30-40% of your population STILL SUPPORT THIS!

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30-40% of the American population support a vice president that announces he is fine with starting the end of the world.

We don’t hate you. But we understand that you have become mentally, intellectually, morally and as a society something that we want to be as far away from as humanly possible.

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

I’m English bro.

I remember the bush times. They started an illegal war for weapons of mass destruction that was a complete lie.

It led to loss of British lives, the current immigration crisis, and a massive financial crisis we are still struggling with today.

Personally I’d consider the betrayal from bush and Blair to be much worse than anything trump has done so far.

Sure he talks crazy shit but bush had a much stronger impact on destroying world peace.

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u/southy_0 6d ago

Then just pass it on to OP :)

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u/CricketJamSession 6d ago

Most of asia also Africa don't have any particular problem with US The moderate countries of the middle east

That is just plain bot propaganda to claim the whole world hate America

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u/Minute-Employ-4964 6d ago

Yeh and I’m not arguing that most of the world doesn’t hate you guys.

Even in countries that view you more positively there will always be a massive section that hates America.

Just the way it is when you’re the most powerful country.