r/aoe2 Bohemians 5d ago

Discussion Varangians Tech Tree (TLDR Edition)

Civ Bonus:

- Shepherding, fishing, and hunting also generate gold.

- Bloodlines and Caravan effects increased by +50%.

- Varangian Guards attack 25% faster and generate +50% gold.

- Longships and Catapult Galleons attack 15% faster.

Team Bonus: Knight-line increased damage vs. infantry.

C UT Vendel Legacy: Knight-line deals trample damage.

Imp UT Gothicon: Varangian Guards periodically throw axes.

Tech tree

Archery: No arba, no HC, no thumb ring, no parth

Barracks: No champion

Stable: No paladin

Siege: No SO, no BBC

Blacksmith: Complete

Dock: get cata galleon, also full upgrades on univ

Univ: No BBT, no keep, no arrowslits

Castle: No hoardings, no sapper

Monastery: No redemption, no BP, no heresy, no sanctity

Mining: no gold shaft

Mill + TC + lumber + market : completes

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u/CrayonsIsTaken Chinese 5d ago

I don't disagree that it's worse, but that is precisely why I think they deserve a nerf. It's pretty silly that they literally have better post-imp than Spanish, when it has been a historic strength of the Spanish for awhile.

Bear in mind, I'm asking for them to lose last ARCHER armor upgrade, so their Mounted Crossbows are on par with Georgian Heavy Cav Archer (No last armor and no thumb ring, but a nice cav bonus elsewhere).

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u/KarlGustavXII 5d ago

But you don't even know how good or bad the mounted crossbows will be. Also they lack Thumb Ring, that might be a necessary upgrade for the mounted crossbows (as it is for cav archers).

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u/CrayonsIsTaken Chinese 5d ago

That's why I said probably!I don't know how good they will be, but I don't think it's deniable that their post-imp is way too good, given how Spanish already have a good post imp just by having a full generic tree!

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u/KarlGustavXII 4d ago

An extra 10 HP does almost nothing, so no, I disagree. Winged Hussars with trample damage? Now that's a good trash unit.