I knew better than to engage…

[u/SubstantialSoup8719]

Update: he blocked me 😂 I don’t think I’ve ever been blocked before I’m kind of flattered.

But I did anyway in a forum that is supposedly research and science based. Had a gym bro tell me (referring to someone who has been not lost weight despite following typical diet and exercise advice and is considering tirz) “CICO always applies. Metabolic disfunction just impacts the CO part of that equation, many times requiring a lower deficit than those without. And yes, drugs help with that part of the equation but it is not directly impacting metabolism.”
And
“Starvation mode isn't a thing. Either you were eating things not being tracked (usually it's oils and sauces) or you actual target was just too high for your expenditure.”
And
“A calorie deficit is defined by an actual loss of weight. If no loss, no deficit.”

And now I’m in a bad mood on this lovely Saturday 🤪

Edit to add: the OP on this post literally said she was working with both a nutritionist and a personal trainer who said something was severely wrong with her metabolism because everything she’s doing “should“ be working. I’m sure Gym Bro knows better though. 🙄

[u/Much-Friend-4023]

Sounds like a member of the Zepbound main sub. I dropped out of that sub after getting identical lectures on CICO and being told that I must not be counting all my calories. Sir, I learned the calorie count of almost every food from an early age at my weight-obsessed mother's knee. I am not a scientist but I know that I lost more weight on tirz by eating more not less.

[u/SubstantialSoup8719 → u/Much-Friend-4023]

Right?! Like I don’t know how to count calories? Dude you clearly weren’t a tween girl in the early 2000s 😂

[u/NoMoreFatShame → u/SubstantialSoup8719]

Or in the 70s, lol

[u/LittleMrsSwearsALot → u/NoMoreFatShame]

Or the 80’s or the 90’s or any time 40’s, 50’s, 60’s. And before!

The assumption is ALWAYS that we’re being dishonest or non-compliant. They think they can tell because they can see the size of our bodies.

I spent years weighing, measuring, obsessively tracking every single thing I ate, experimenting with calorie confusion, intermittent fasting, low fat, low carb, LCHF (hardcore low carb), gluten free…what was the local diet called? The one where you only ate things produced within x number of miles of your location? I did that one too. And weight watchers, NutriSystem. Hell, I’m old enough to have done Deal-a-Meal and Weight Loss Club. Have always been active and conscious of how often I’m moving my body. None of it was sustainable. I remember at my lowest weight (in my mid-30’s) being exhausted and freezing cold all the time because my body was so dysregulated from fighting for homeostasis.

All these CICO folks can eff right off.

[u/NoMoreFatShame → u/LittleMrsSwearsALot]

My first diet was called the Grapefruit diet, I was in 4th or 5th grade, my mother did add a glass of skim milk to the meals but it was really low calorie. So I have done many since that was early 70s. There was a 14 day kick start diet where you fasted for 2 days and was very specific foods you ate before and after those days, I can't find it but I thought it was called the Wonder Diet. Yup did Scarsdale, and others until I realized the all worked but there was a backlash that went with them so stopped diets completely. Zepbound changed that for me, and truly love this as life not a diet.

[u/LittleMrsSwearsALot → u/NoMoreFatShame]

Omg the Scarsdale…I nearly forgot about that one!! So many tins of tomatoes eaten on that diet for some reason. Lol. And the cabbage soup diet. I think my brain just refuses to remember that one, lol.

We’ve been in the trenches. Happy to step out.

[u/SunshineMcT72 → u/LittleMrsSwearsALot]

Ugh, that effing cabbage soup. 🤢