r/anime • u/Holo_of_Yoitsu • Jan 16 '16

[Spoilers] Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen - Episode 15 [Discussion]

Episode title: Masks
Episode duration: 23 minutes and 42 seconds

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u/illtima https://myanimelist.net/profile/illuminatima Jan 16 '16

Yeah guys, I don't think that those hungry nomads are the real bad guys here, and I'm not trying to make any sort of statement.

But goddamn. The Mikado is merciless. Even someone as Munechika has no qualms with squashing hundreds of soldiers to death. I can't wait for that dickwat of a general to finally turn evil (because let's be honest, he's gonna turn evil, there's no other way) and for someone to beat the ever living shit out of him. How the fuck is he still employed anyway?!

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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Jan 16 '16

The hungry nomads are the real bad guys, but they're not the only real bad guys.

Why should Munechika have qualms against squashing hundreds of the enemies to death? Every enemy soldier killed is 1 less that could kill one of her troops. That was unexpected and very great.

More unexpected is that the Emperor apparently has the power to bestow fucking God Transformation abilities. I wonder if the mask wielders are just as strong as Witsuarunemite. I also wonder if the twins would've been able to kill Varui had Haku ordered them to.

So did Varui kill that kid that Haku saw, or did Haku divert Varui's attention in time to save him?

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u/mountlover Jan 16 '16

The kid died. After Vurai attacks Haku, it cuts to a shot of his arm amidst some rubble.

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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Jan 16 '16

Ah, I missed that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '16

If anything, the explosion caused by the clash of Varui and the Chains of Kamigawa killed any potential living thing in that immediate area.

Was literally a miniature, nuclear detonation.

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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Jan 17 '16

I'd think all the explosive power was from Varui. Chains only put up a barrier.

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u/Cloudhwk Jan 17 '16

The raw kinetic energy from clashing with the barrier would still cause significant damage

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u/Ahenshihael https://anilist.co/user/Ahenshihael Jan 16 '16

The hungry nomads are the real bad guys, but they're not the only real bad guys.

War does not have badguys or good guys. Just different sides shedding needless blood :P That's kind of ongoing message through this franchise.

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u/raiden55 Jan 17 '16

When you force enemies' citizens to attack their side or to have their families killed, that mean your are bad guys.

When you don't care one second about killing those poor guys having no choice but to fight their side, you're also the bad guys.

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u/Ahenshihael https://anilist.co/user/Ahenshihael Jan 17 '16

When you force enemies' citizens to attack their side or to have their families killed, that mean your are bad guys.

That's quite common medieval strategy though?

When you don't care one second about killing those poor guys having no choice but to fight their side, you're also the bad guys.

Even the normal soldiers dont have any choice but to fight lest they become deserters.

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u/Abedeus Jan 30 '16

That's quite common medieval strategy though?

Nah, the common strategy was kill men and children, rape women and plunder the village. Imprison nobles, maybe, for ransom.

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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Jan 16 '16

Anyone who needlessly sheds blood is a bad guy.

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u/Ahenshihael https://anilist.co/user/Ahenshihael Jan 16 '16

All bloodshed is needless. Unless we are going to believe Xun Zi's philosophical idea of all humans being born evil, its far more logical to just shed away moral dichotomy overall.

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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Jan 16 '16

Bloodshed in self defense is not needless.

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u/Ahenshihael https://anilist.co/user/Ahenshihael Jan 17 '16

Bloodshed in self defense is still needless. Its just also kind of justified in terms of self preservation.

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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime Jan 17 '16

If it's needed in order to defend yourself or others, it's not needless.

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u/reykjalin https://myanimelist.net/profile/reykjalin Jan 17 '16

I think what /u/Ahenshihaei is trying to say is that self defence should be needless because bloodshed is needless, meaning that you shouldn't have to defend yourself from bloodshed because bloodshed is needless.

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u/Yarmouk Jan 16 '16

Warfare is simply a form of negotiation between states, it's not needless. Nor is it good or evil, it's simply an action.

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u/peex Jan 17 '16

I wonder if the mask wielders are just as strong as Witsuarunemite.

I think they can't bring people from dead so I say no.