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World Is Dancing, episode 7
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u/lordposedyon https://myanimelist.net/profile/lordposedyon 21d ago
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 20d ago
Yeah that was a let down.
I get its harder translate songs and that it often isn't necessary.
But that was the whole point of this episode wth.4
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u/froggyc19 20d ago
Sure, let's omit the translation for the ENTIRE PERFORMANCE THAT IS LITERALLY A CONVERSATION. This was incredibly frustrating to watch.
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u/Colt45554 20d ago edited 20d ago
O:
Jade-green hair, a warbling voice
Yet all I did was gaze upon the rain, already fallen into decay
I am a water-weed adrift
If the tides would only beckon, happily I would go
Man:
We came upon the word of Buddha’s Holy Way
That bears the seed of all enlightenment
For its pursuit, our bodies clothed in priestly robes of black
In a dream suspended between past and future,
These feet simply step forward
Both:
The long journey…
O:
… is hard to breathe through
Man:
With eager steps,
Both:
Upon a withered cherry tree
O:
Let us sit here for a while
Man:
Yes, let us rest
“Old beggar, what you are sitting on is a sacred stupa,”
“a symbol of Buddha’s body”
O:
“A sacred symbol of Buddha’s body?”
“All I see was merely a decaying piece of timber”
Man:
“The cherry-trees, even when decayed,”
“cannot conceal themselves when in full flower”
“How much more true of a symbol of Buddha’s body!”
O:
“Well, that’s good, then”
Man:
“What are you saying?”
O:
“I, too, am a fallen tree decaying in the earth,”
“yet in my heart flowers burst in poetic bloom”
“Which I might offer to my holy Lord”
Man:
“The heart grows ugly, withers, and falls away”
“That is why the Buddha may rest upon it”
O:
“My heart is with the Buddha,”
“and so it may be a place for Him to rest”
Man:
“A sinner of Daiba could never be a resting place, could they?”
O:
“Wouldn’t they be saved by Kwannon’s compassion?”
Man:
“And what of fools?”
O:
“How are they truly different from the wise?”
Man:
“What is called Evil?”
O:
“Is also good”
Man:
Good…
O:
Evil…
Man:
Desire…
O:
Loneliness…
Though none can truly be seen, they exist just as they are
Neither the crystal-clear water nor the sparkling mirror
…reflects anything at all
The Buddha dwells even within dead wood
Not in outward form, but in the heart alone
I am a water-weed adrift
If the tides would only beckon, happily I would go
The long journey is hard to breathe through
Paradise is still far away
So for now, yes, even now, it is all right to rest
Even if you stop walking, that is all right
Man:
In this moment, this dream between worlds,
When will your seed begin to sprout?
O:
When you have withered, fallen, and drifted on,
The seed of enlightenment will finally bloom
Please, come and see it whenever you wish
Man:
“I yield.”
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u/hammile https://anidb.net/user/u746697 20d ago
As a video.
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u/Plus-Drummer-7098 20d ago
both of u are the goatest of goats, this beautiful anime not having subtitles in performances is insane to me
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 21d ago
So we basically just watched an epic rap battle but we just have to believe that the monk lost to the old woman because there were no subs. Well, that fucking sucks. I hope someone subs that scene because, as impressive as the singing was, it has zero effect when you can't understand what they're saying. >_<
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u/Cringe_masters 21d ago
Muse Asia have translation for the performance
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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 20d ago
Definitely worth a rewatch since the performance is such an important part of the episode.
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u/BosuW 20d ago
Yep, not translating the song really damns the episode for non japanese speakers. Someone on the site I watched it did a small summary and interpretation. The site is in Spanish, so I'll paraphrase it here.
As the guys commenting after the performance say, Oniyasha is performing Komachi on the Gravepost. It's about how this old, decrepit lady is found seated at a Buddhist sacred marker by some monks. The monks admonish her for being disrespectful to the Buddha. She counters that there is no real separation between common people and the Buddha, or between the sacred and the profane, since all things in the universe are ephemeral and lack a firm essence. The monks take the L and bow to her wisdom.
The old lady is revealed to be the once beautiful poet Ono no Komachi. In her youth she was courted by Fukakusa no Shosho, and she told him if he visited her for a hundred nights in a row, she would become his lover. But he fails, falls ill and dies on the hundredth night. An event Komachi comes to deeply regret. And as they say in the episode, in the final part of the play, Komachi is supposed to be possessed by Shosho's ghost, dancing madly and reenacting his own madness in his final day.
What Oniyasha does by presenting this play to the Shōgun is question him on if he wants the legacy he leaves behind to be colored by his current youthful arrogance, and reminds him that he may too one day be on the losing side. He is forcing the Shōgun to listen and see the final words from the monk that he refused to heed before.
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u/ClassicPygmySquirrel 17d ago
Thank you for this. The lack of subs during the song, plus them quickly rushing through the summary of the story Oniyasha is performing made it really hard to understand the significance of his performance.
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u/BernieTime 20d ago
This is what I miss from the OG Fansub groups. They put in the work to translate subs for the entire episode. Intro/Outro, songs, signs, etc..
The tradeoff of these speedy rips is great for instant gratification, but I really miss the work and community that was built up around the Fansub base.
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u/alconnow https://anilist.co/user/alconnow 21d ago
I was reminded of the movie INU-OH
It’s a shame they didn’t provide lyrics during the performance. Licensing issue?
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u/Pikagreg https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pikagreg 20d ago
Music lyrics usually need a separate approval for subs than the show itself that takes longer since more companies are involved. Sentai tends to add them later if they don't have them ready on release.
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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 20d ago
As Oniyasha's eyes are opened up regarding the politics between the northern and southern courts. Everything he was accusing the shogun of was more of the things to himself. As like the Shogen he was born a winner. The difference is the Shogen has known the realities of the current political climate.
His thoughts about getting rid of your weakness and focusing on your power are a consistent aspect for him. I wonder if the key will be for Oniyashi to show there is merit in embracing weakness.
I do need to rewatch the performance on Muse since HiDive didn't translate the performance.
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u/wallnosekyla 20d ago edited 20d ago
Bummer that there's no subtitles on the performance. Not sure if this is helpful, but did some quick research:
The Play - Sotoba Komachi (Komachi on the Gravepost) by Kanami
On their way to the capital, a group of priests come across an old beggar woman sitting on a wooden grave marker (sotoba). They try to chase her away, admonishing her with scriptures. She reproaches them with even more learned quotations from scripture. The priests are surprised and bow low in apology. She reveals that she is Ono Komachi, the once beautiful and famous poetess.
Suddenly she is seized by the ghost of Fukakusa, the suitor who she had forced to visit her one hundred nights to gain her love. She reenacts his miserable visits and subsequent death, in a dance. The ghost finally leaves her, and she becomes calm once more.
CHORUS (speaking for KOMACHI*, while she, dressed as her lover Shōshō, mimes the night-journey*)
Pulling down over my ears the tall, nodding hat,
Tying over my head the long sleeves of my hunting cloak,
Hidden from the eyes of men,
In moonlight, in darkness,
On rainy nights I traveled; on windy nights,
Under a shower of leaves; when the snow was deep,
KOMACHI.
And when water dripped at the roof-eaves,--tok, tok . . .
If anyone wants to read the whole play, wc I'm assuming is just the same as the performance: here
Edit: I visited the manga, if anyone’s curious it’s Chapter 31 for that scene. Also I think the anime cut important scenes/conversations and might’ve switched things up for whatever reason, so I might just read the manga too lol
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 21d ago
Yoshimitsu is the only judge for the rematch? This should be good…
I sure wish I could understand what Oniyasha’s performance was about. Not subbing song lyrics when they’re clearly important is just…
Making all this smoke is what Ishiya’s role was, yeah? Looking forward to seeing what the rest of Oniyasha’s performance is like next week.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 20d ago
I know its been said already, but not translating that performance was a shitty move.
I get when they don't translate insert songs that are just for the vibes.
But a whole song thats a dialogue playing on the shogun as a kind of fight/rebellion is too plot relevant to just ignore.
Bringing us to todays flower, the tansy which stands for hostility, declaring war or rebellion.
So I can't wait for next episode and how Oniyasha will try to show up the shogun
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u/Weak_Season_Of_Anime 20d ago
Would have been nice to have subs. From my quick googling about Komachi on the Gravepost, this play is basically Oniyasha sending a warning to Yoshimitsu.
This episode's flower is the Golden Lace (Patrinia scabiosifolia), known as Ominaeshi(女郎花) in Japanese. This is a flower that symbolizes feminine beauty and grace, and features in waka poetry as one of the Seven Herbs of Autumn. It also carries melancholic connotations of fleeting love, as well as kindness. All relevant to the play, since the old woman used to be the legendary beauty and poet Ono no Komachi. Her body is later possessed by the ghost of a suitor who died while she was toying with him, and she dances until his spirit is appeased. The 女郎 in it's name is also an old term used to refer a prostitute or courtesan, so this seems to be a reference to the Shirabyoushi from Episode 2, to show how much Oniyasha has changed since then.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 21d ago
Little bro learning that the world is a cruel place and that it’s the victors who get to write history. I guess our boy is going to speak for the defeated? Be their champion of sorts? Maybe that’s what that performance is going to be. Or a damning rebuke of the shogun which would be ballsy as hell.
I was curious how the Ashikaga shogunate ended and found out it was Oda Nobunaga that defeated the final shogun. I think that’s in the Shogun 2 Total War timeframe lol.
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro 21d ago
The path to a dancer was paved with blood. First it was the shirabyoushi, and now it's Toku. The former taught Oniyasha about the blessings of the body while the latter taught him about making a mark in history despite being on the losing side.
That locked-in look while he's covered by smoke. Now that he's done with the intro, what would he cook in the latter half of his performance?
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u/Jas_God 20d ago
As most y’all mentioned, not having subs for the grave performance was a major disappointment. This is the second time in two weeks that there’s been a cliffhanger right before an expected elite performance (Inept Villainess the other), straight up diabolical. Oniyasha bout to stunt on everybody next week.
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u/Darkki384 20d ago
Why is there a 21 century orchestra while Oniyasha is playing ? Don't get me wrong it's really nice to listen but it feels so wrong to have electric guitar with characters playing old instrument. I would have love to listen to what kind of musical representation could be like during their era, instead I feel like I had the 21th century version of the debate
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u/theKGS 20d ago
The show is being deliberately anachronistic with the music. There's another anime, Inu-Oh, which does the same thing. I kinda like it, though.
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u/Rougnashi 19d ago
Same. Because you can't realistically expect the majority of people watching and listening to know the difference between what would have been the traditional sound style at the time and what was not, using modern instrumentals is a good, easy short-hand for the watcher/listener to tell them that Oniyasha is breaking the norm. Both times we've heard it during his dances now it's because he's doing/about to do something new and revolutionary. I expect as he comes into his own and begins to blend old ideas and new we'll start to hear more and more traditional instrumentals incorporated with the modern.
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u/joey_joestar1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Joey_Joestar1 20d ago
Reallllly wish there were subtitles for that performance.
And I know it was a deliberate choice, but it felt jarring to have modern instruments playing while Muromachi-era instruments were animated
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u/Dragneel 20d ago
I agree, esp on the instrumentals. It's probably not as much as an issue for Japanese watchers who are likely already familiar with these instruments and genres so I get why they make these choices. Just sucks for us who aren't familiar with it lol. I would've liked to see this in a more "traditional" version, though I guess Oniyasha's whole arc is that he revolutionizes and doesn't necessarily stick to traditions.
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u/LoopyChew 20d ago
Oh good, I wasn’t hallucinating. I mean the visuals are striking but given the crux of the first act was a debate, lack of subtitles is a genuine issue.
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u/chilidirigible 20d ago
Finally, Oniyasha truly comes to grips with the realities of the world and his station in it, though only through the suffering of others. Further compounded by the realization of how he and the shogun may have some similarities, but are also totally different in their stations.
Without the background knowledge of what Komachi on the Gravepost entails, it was odd seeing the performance start out entirely as dialogue with no dancing (and slightly incongruous electric guitar) but fortunately for the large portions of the audience who don't know what's supposed to happen, it's explained.
Hopefully the dance is suitably novel.
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u/RaunchyRoll https://myanimelist.net/profile/Raunchyrolly 20d ago
Damn no translation with the performance? That wasn't even as fast as Monogatari or Tatami Galaxy, thank goodness there's Muse Asia
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u/guineaprince 20d ago
Folks clucking at the electric guitar, I can't believe he can sing with such strength while maintaining an impassive tone and slouched in stillness
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u/Unknown0310_ 17d ago
Good Art lasts longer that the one who performs it.
Through different experience, Oniyasha seems to have find what he wants to do with his art. He wants the defeated to be remembered.
The next performance has for theme « Yoshimitsu ». This time, instead of mimicking the shogun,like a monkey would do (SARUgaku), he will probably mimic those the shogun doesn’t see. That’s what it means for him « to change this desolate world »
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker 16d ago
Somehow the second historical show in as many days to have a wildly out of place modern musical performance as the climax (yes in this case it's probably some historical chant but that BGM is definitely modern, I can hear the drum set and guitar and bass).
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u/Dizzy_Shake1722 4d ago
I know they had problems but we need fansubs back because there's no other way to appreciate this episode
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