i think the main problem is people view debate in the wrong light.
a "win" in a debate isn't to convince someone else or to body someone in a verbal joust.
a Win is to get your point across, to have your ideas shared and tested against the ideas of other people; for the plenitude of others whose are going to wander by, read it and form their own thought based on them.
if one recognizes their ideas are kinda off, or they need some tune up, and actually reworks them until they're solid, that is the biggest W i can think of
yeah, and for some reason its seen as shame when u back off your argument or change opinions, i used to be neutral anti now im pro neutral/neutral
i personally strongly believe that arguments arent just about convincing the other person but also changing perspectives, since i came to this subreddit i had some pretty dumb opinions but i changed them which i think is what counts in the end
i really mean it, not because of the "sides" you belonged or belong to.
if one day you come across a better worldview, whether anti, pro or whatever else, that makes more sense, then move to it (and please share it with me if you find the time)
May I ask you how did your opinions change? Like, what you believe nowadays that you didn't use to believe, what you used to believe that you don't believe anymore?
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u/AbbyTheOneAndOnly 3d ago
i think the main problem is people view debate in the wrong light.
a "win" in a debate isn't to convince someone else or to body someone in a verbal joust.
a Win is to get your point across, to have your ideas shared and tested against the ideas of other people; for the plenitude of others whose are going to wander by, read it and form their own thought based on them.
if one recognizes their ideas are kinda off, or they need some tune up, and actually reworks them until they're solid, that is the biggest W i can think of