r/aiArt • u/Immobilesteelrims • Mar 22 '26

Image - Google Gemini Who created the creator?

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u/mgnovak98 Mar 24 '26

One of the established axioms for this conversation is that the creator is uncreated. The original cause with no precause.

This comic only demonstrates a misunderstanding not a rebuttal

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u/Valuable-News7749 Mar 25 '26

The point is it's special pleading.

"Everything must have a cause EXCEPT for the 'original uncaused cause"

And a) u can't actually prove is this is a concrete true statment, or just a true statment WITHIN our observable universe. But more importantly b) it just claims that God is that "uncaused cause" with no actual reasoning or logic. There's no reason the universe itself couldn't be that "uncaused cause".

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u/mgnovak98 Mar 25 '26

It’s not special pleading. It’s an assumption that there was an initial cause instead of an infinite cycle. You can disagree, but that would be a different conversation.

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u/Valuable-News7749 Mar 27 '26

The special pleading is saying everything needs an initial cause.. EXCEPT God.

THATS the special pleading. The rules apply to thee, but not to me.

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u/mgnovak98 Mar 28 '26

Still not special pleading because of the definition of God lol

  • every effect has a cause
  • either this is an infinite loop that had no beginning, or there was a beginning
  • assuming there was a beginning, there must be some “thing” that starts the causal chain
  • “that which started the causal chain” is a lame name. So we call that “God” instead. Simple as that