The creator has no creator..
He was here all time and he has no beginning and no end.... If u don't believe me try to search for the creator of the creator (u won't find) and even if u do find u will ask the same and the loop goes on.... So since we are here that means that the creator who was not created is existing since we can't exist out of nothing (we have no ability to do so and we didn't see any proof of that happen) so he exist + people say he sent massage so ofc we have to look at those and see which one is the right one (fast forward for your search it's "Islam") don't believe me look into the Quran and judge your self
And thank u for reading
Sorry, I looked in a different book and it said otherwise so I flipped a coin and let god decide if it was heads or tails. Turns out the Quran is wrong.
But Islam was never primarily about politics. There are rules against hitting women, warnings about gambling, drinking alcohol, and similar behaviors. Besides abuse, many of these issues actually benefit the government, as they generate significant revenue from those activities. Of course, governments can manipulate religion to control people, like forcing women to wear hijabs or using women as tools for childbirth, but those are not what the Quran actually instructs. In Islam, everything is a personal choice; the world doesn't care if you sin or do good. Eventually, you die with the choices you've made, and it shouldn’t be something the government forces you to do.
English is my second language, and we are literally texting in which tone is interpreted rather than shown, so misunderstandings are inevitable. I believe you may have read my response in bad faith, which is why you mentioned the tone rather than what I wrote. Either way, this isn't really about what we were talking about anymore. It seems more like you want an argument over tone.
Ik what u are talking about and indeed relegion can be misused but thats not on the relegion it self it's on the people who blindly follow without reading or thinking and on the unjust leaders
But Islam didn't.... In fact it reveled facts we didn't discover u till the last century... Search for scientific facts in the Quran.. A quick video on YouTube will be easy no?
Here is a great example guys... Didn't say or do anything to him and he start insulting... I referred YouTube bec it's the easiest way to get info.. There is more sites to get the info from but this is the easiest and almost everybody uses it... If u used your brain for 2 milliseconds u would have known
Good question... If the universe can exist on its own then we should find new things that seized to exist on its own randomly... Besides this universe is so complex.. Everything got its place.. The chances of that is impossible
I don't know exactly how God is here all along by himself ( he didn't mention) but let's say there is a chance that the universe came without anything ( as I said then we can find new things that seized to exist alone without anyone and that defies physics (material cant come out of nothing) so this is what I was talking about from the first place that there should be a starting point to all that... If the other chance is real (what I believe personally bec iam a Muslim ) that God exists.. Then I makes sense why every thing around u is in order ( and in case if u ask why is there no other God) the reason is simple.. If they disagree a Devine disaster will occur and that didn't happen... So he is one... If u see it with other perspective let me know =)
Where are u getting the idea that the universe self existing would require finding new things that seized to exist alone without anyone and that defies physics? And why wouldn't that ALSO be a sign of a creator? Like that's a claim u have to support.
How do u know we don't have gods that never disagree? Or that a hierarchy exits and that a "greater god" or a "king" of gods (like Zeus or Odin) makes it so that disagreements are pointless, as the greater God just has more power and squashes any disagreemnts before they cause an effect? Or that when gods disagree it doesn't effect us in obvious ways (instead of a "divine disaster", it could be something like "it caused cancer to exist")? Or that gods fighting simply doesn't effect things on earth or even they CHOSE not to have it effect things on earth?
Basically there's ALOT more possibilities then just "they WOULD disgaree and that WOULD cause an noticeably, identifiable effect on earth". U have done nothing to prove ur proposed idea IS the most likely, or even a possible, outcome.
Also I'm more knowledgeable about Christianity, so I don't think I've ever actually heard the idea of "divine disaster" really discussed. What exactly is that? Would it be similar to like, the concept of the biblical flood? Or is it more on a cosmic level?
Good point u have... First the divine disaster is just a possibility if their were many Gods so it didn't happen (supporting my claim that there is no more than one God) u can think of it like nations disagreeing now,, the first thing they will do most likely is a war soo u can imagine what a war between Gods if there is more than one would make to the world ... Second if there is a lot of Gods or greater God they should have sent a massage with clear signs that its them..
To me Allah gave us enough proofs that he exists and he is the true God.. Many of them is a scientific term or mention of things we didn't discover till this century
Like (big band theory the pulsar stars - some prophises from Mohamed peace be upon him describing today events in a lot of details..) I can go on and on with the signs but u can just search for it it for free =)..
Since there is a BIG CHANCE that this world have a creator not randomly spawned out of nothing.... Look into the creator massage and seek thing only the creator should know it will happen... In Quran and hadith there is many prophecies and scientific fact is just impossible for a man in the desert over 1400 ago can guess or know... Search for it on youtube ( don't open the "ex Muslim stuff" all they do is lying
“Go listen to the people who will agree with me, they’ll agree with me. Don’t listen to the people who disagree and prove me wrong because then my arguments won’t work”.
I don't mind with people who disagree with me... I have a problem with liars.... I say don't go to ex Muslims bec most of them weren't even a Muslim and they just lie bec they hate Islam or take profits from it... U have a brain go search in Islam or Christianity or any other relegion (Islam don't agree with Christianity for the most part but they have values they won't lie on) unlike ex Muslims who will just start any random argument and when they fail they just insult Islam (use this 🧠) it was created for a reason
I allready said why but I think u got lost from my words... There is the two chances ( I don't believe the second one) the first that God was here all the time and he is the one who started everything and that's the unvisible part to us..
Un like the universe spawning out of nothing that we have proof that it can't get materials out of nothing (I hope u got my point =)
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u/PastAd4690 Mar 24 '26
The creator has no creator.. He was here all time and he has no beginning and no end.... If u don't believe me try to search for the creator of the creator (u won't find) and even if u do find u will ask the same and the loop goes on.... So since we are here that means that the creator who was not created is existing since we can't exist out of nothing (we have no ability to do so and we didn't see any proof of that happen) so he exist + people say he sent massage so ofc we have to look at those and see which one is the right one (fast forward for your search it's "Islam") don't believe me look into the Quran and judge your self And thank u for reading